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Expanding the Unofficial empire: Your thoughts?

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Hi there folks,

Just some spitballing. I would appreciate your thoughts on my thoughts so I can think about your thoughts.

The situation is currently that it would be beneficial if I could make some beans from the comfort of my home so I put on my tinfoil thinking cap and thought long and hard about it. I couldn't come up with anything.

But then my invisible twin mentioned something that seemed ingenious. Take the half-assed creation that is the UHE and adapt it to be a network of "Unofficial BLANK" sites, the subject of which would be chosen by the people that would actually use the site. That's you guys and guys like you. This in essence would allow me to take the code I've written and use it again and again, magnifying it's benefit.

To clarify, say you really, really liked Hodakas, but just couldn't find a place to talk about them with people that thought Hodakas were as nifty as you did. You simply visit the mother-ship page, request a new site and voila! A new site is born which acts completely like the UHE, with the same features and systems.

The way I see it working is like so. Each site would remain separate, so people who really liked Husabergs would not be staring at the posts, classiifieds or member map of the people that really liked BSAs. They could of course visit the parent page and see what all sites there are under the "unofficial" umbrella, but otherwise, they never need know that any others exist. This would keep the sense of community from getting diluted like in larger sites, like TT, where you try to follow topics in 47 categories and you participate in a thread with 2,000 replies and kind of feel like you're whizzing in the ocean.

The area in which I see it working well is for interests that are niche-like enough that people need an outlet that isn't already provided by 20 other sites. For instance, I don't think another KTM site is needed as KTMT already provides a fantastic outlet for people that want to talk about the brand. That's not to say that the subsite can't be created if people asked for it, however. The crux of the system in my head relies solely on the users of the site asking for what they want, regardless of what's on the web.

The things I think I need to do before anything can be duplicated would be to finish the stuff I've been working on, like downloads, links, etc. As well, I need to figure out how to monetize the system. I've got an advertising system written into the site already, but need to finish it and adapt it to segregate between the sites so the advertiser could choose which subsites to advertise on and the system would alter the cost accordingly.

The benefit for the users(you guys) would obviously the features being implemented at a much quicker pace and any additional sites you wished existed for a product you like.

I think that's it. My invisible twin's gone quiet so he's either run out of ideas or he's plotting my demise again. I'd be very interested to know what you think, good or bad.

thanks,
json
 
I'd wiat for it to be called a Husky in 12-Months and then call us the first Husky Husaberg only site. build back to all Huskies even though I'm sure there are other Husky pilotes.

so in 12-months have husaberg and Huskys going forwards. otherwise it'll just die away.

I don't see a choice on that front.

regards

Taffy
 
Although we're in the midst of some exciting times as Husaberg enthusiasts, this topic really has nothing to do with the fate of Husaberg. Regardless of what it gets called a year from now, my thoughts in the post above are completely separate.
 
then it isn't a 9 o clock at night thing to get into. I'll look later.

Taffy
 
Good idea.

How would you police the other unofficial sites though?

Would this be down to the individuals who asked for the site, or are you to monitor everything?
 
twistednuts said:
Good idea.

How would you police the other unofficial sites though?

Would this be down to the individuals who asked for the site, or are you to monitor everything?

Heya twisted,

My idea was that I didn't want to force the user suggesting the site to have to sign up for moderating duties, so I kind of pictured this:

Site gets suggested and created. During the suggestion process, the user would be asked if they wanted to participate in the moderation of the site.

Once the site is running, there would be a notification window at the top of each page until closed by that particular user letting them know that the site needs moderators. They can offer their services or hit the big red x if they don't want to see the notice any longer.

I would take up the slack on moderating until there were enough people to handle the duties. The duties are incredibly minimal initially and hopefully people would want to step in and be a more active part of their community before the site grew in size to the point that it required a more constant eye. I'd beef up the post/user reporting feature so I could get notification of spam/****/trolling in a central location so I didn't have to crawl the different forums to find it.

For this to work, I think I would have to create the ability to rate or report the moderators. Allowing just anyone the chance to manage the site could result in disaster if there were no way for visitors to get rid of a substandard mod.

Any other thoughts on the matter would be welcome. I'm sure I've missed a bunch.
 
Yes :cheers: I can see this working provide that you get the support, you may need to advertise on a bigger scale like multimedia.
 
I like the concept, the world is potentially your oyster.
Are you thinking of only motorcycles or can it be unofficial anything i.e. Unofficial Bbq, Unofficial Rose grower, Unofficial Cabinetmaker etc?

I can see advertising your service and getting the market exposure as the only real hurdle.
Moderators are another issue, society is slowly evolving & more ppl expect it all layed on for them without having to give anything back.
Likewise advertising will prob be your main income stream? more and more ppl want and expect free.

Just my 2cents

Cheers
 
fedge said:
Yes :cheers: I can see this working provide that you get the support, you may need to advertise on a bigger scale like multimedia.

Could you expand on advertising via multimedia? I'm completely clueless when it comes to anything advertising.
 
Shwim

We can all help you with your brain storming, but as you said, that got nothing to do with this Unofficial :D

I don't think it will be easy to replicate this community, as you also know, but what is the problem of you expanding your universe and so the potential useres and advertisers. You already have most of the work done, so go for it !

I don't agree with Taffy about transforming this Unofficial to the Husqvarna Unofficial, I think people will be searching for info and talk about Bergs for a long time.
It will slow down for shore, but it already has since the end of the 70deg. My thoughts were that the guys from KTMT would start to come here because this site is much more technical then the KTMT and less confusing, but now it won't happen.
Other thing that made this site what it is, was the bikes .. no .. the problems of the bikes :mrgreen: , so with time the bikes got better .. less problems .. less activity. But that is a good thing .. right ??

About this particular Unofficial, I think you should speed up the download thing, I think it will be important, and make adds better, to make this site the place to go if you want to buy used Husaberg parts.

To finish I would like to say your invisible twin is telling you good things, you should listen.

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
robatk said:
I like the concept, the world is potentially your oyster.
Are you thinking of only motorcycles or can it be unofficial anything i.e. Unofficial Bbq, Unofficial Rose grower, Unofficial Cabinetmaker etc?

Unofficial anything. Changes would have to be made to the site script to make it more ambiguous(for instance allowing the categories to be defined by a user in the classifieds and web links), but I don't think the effort would pay off if I restricted it to motorcycles only.

robatk said:
I can see advertising your service and getting the market exposure as the only real hurdle.

I expect that to be the toughest part. I've always relied on grass roots methods. With the higher stakes of such a large production, I don't think I could afford to wait 5 or 6 years to get noticed through word of mouth :D

robatk said:
Moderators are another issue, society is slowly evolving & more ppl expect it all layed on for them without having to give anything back.

Indeed, but there's always a few core people that not only want to be part of a tight community, but also have a hand in molding and influencing it. There's never many, but you really don't need that many to keep the site running like clockwork.

robatk said:
Likewise advertising will prob be your main income stream? more and more ppl want and expect free.

My current plan is a bit more complicated in my head than I would like, but here's my thoughts:

1) Retain donations. Currently, it's what keeps the doors open. With the added time and expense involved, there's no way I could even attempt it without the support of those that donate.

2) Two tiers of advertising.

a) First the type that has always been on the site, and that's free as in beer. Everyone's banners that you see on the site are placed here at no charge to them with only the request that they participate on the site, helping the visitors when they can. This system will be revamped. As is probably obvious, less than 5% of the advertisers actually follow through on their promise to participate and end up having free advertising for years on end in exchange for absolutely nothing. The system I've been working on will handle it in a different manner. While simple, I think it's going to be effective. First, their banners will will only remain active for a limited number of days, the number of which is determined randomly when they activate their ad. So ACME box company has an advertisement and it expires. The next time they visit the site, they see that their ad is inactive and hit the reactivate button. The system reactivates their ad and the random number generates a number somewhere in between 1 and 30. That number will be how long the ad stays active for. The advertiser however will never see the number and will have to visit the site to know when the ad is no longer active. If they visit often, their ad is up all the time. If they visit once a year, well then their ad is not seen for very long. There's more to this system, like forum particpation and such, but that's the meat of the free advertising system. The benefit to the site is that knowledgeable people are on the site to help the members.

b) The second form of advertising that vendors can choose is paid advertsing. No random numbers, more exposure and some other bells and whistles will be the reward for choosing paid advertising. I have absolutely nothing further formed on this because as I said above, I'm completely clueless when it comes to anything having to do with traditional advertising schemes.

That's all I've got so far. I want to try to stay away from the goto ad systems, like Google Adwords and the like and would like to keep it more relevant and organic, if possible.
 
Heya zaga :)

zaga said:
I don't think it will be easy to replicate this community, as you also know, but what is the problem of you expanding your universe and so the potential useres and advertisers. You already have most of the work done, so go for it !

I don't expect to ever see another community shape up quite like this one has. The planets aligned when this group came together and I don't expect future communities to play together as well and be as helpful as this group has.

zaga said:
I don't agree with Taffy about transforming this Unofficial to the Husqvarna Unofficial, I think people will be searching for info and talk about Bergs for a long time.
It will slow down for shore, but it already has since the end of the 70deg. My thoughts were that the guys from KTMT would start to come here because this site is much more technical then the KTMT and less confusing, but now it won't happen.
Other thing that made this site what it is, was the bikes .. no .. the problems of the bikes :mrgreen: , so with time the bikes got better .. less problems .. less activity. But that is a good thing .. right ??

I don't have any intentions of modifying this community in light of the recent changes. People will own the bikes for a very long time to come and they will need help. Unofficial Husaberg will remain as long as there's people using it. We may need some additional forum categories(I don't know because I don't quite understand what all the new stuff means yet), but I can't see much else happening on the site end.

zaga said:
About this particular Unofficial, I think you should speed up the download thing, I think it will be important, and make adds better, to make this site the place to go if you want to buy used Husaberg parts.

Do you mean to finish the downloads system and improve upon the classifieds system? I'm about halfway done with the downloads and have got some things I'm playing around with on the classifieds end.

[quote="zaga"To finish I would like to say your invisible twin is telling you good things, you should listen.

:cheers:
ZAGA[/quote]

Although he's not as handsome as I, he does have some good ideas sometimes. Like that time he told me about peanut butter and banana sandwiches.
 
schwim said:
Hi there folks,

Just some spitballing. I would appreciate your thoughts on my thoughts so I can think about your thoughts.

The situation is currently that it would be beneficial if I could make some beans from the comfort of my home so I put on my tinfoil thinking cap and thought long and hard about it. I couldn't come up with anything.

But then my invisible twin mentioned something that seemed ingenious. Take the half-assed creation that is the UHE and adapt it to be a network of "Unofficial BLANK" sites, the subject of which would be chosen by the people that would actually use the site. That's you guys and guys like you. This in essence would allow me to take the code I've written and use it again and again, magnifying it's benefit.

To clarify, say you really, really liked Hodakas, but just couldn't find a place to talk about them with people that thought Hodakas were as nifty as you did. You simply visit the mother-ship page, request a new site and voila! A new site is born which acts completely like the UHE, with the same features and systems.

The way I see it working is like so. Each site would remain separate, so people who really liked Husabergs would not be staring at the posts, classiifieds or member map of the people that really liked BSAs. They could of course visit the parent page and see what all sites there are under the "unofficial" umbrella, but otherwise, they never need know that any others exist. This would keep the sense of community from getting diluted like in larger sites, like TT, where you try to follow topics in 47 categories and you participate in a thread with 2,000 replies and kind of feel like you're whizzing in the ocean.

The area in which I see it working well is for interests that are niche-like enough that people need an outlet that isn't already provided by 20 other sites. For instance, I don't think another KTM site is needed as KTMT already provides a fantastic outlet for people that want to talk about the brand. That's not to say that the subsite can't be created if people asked for it, however. The crux of the system in my head relies solely on the users of the site asking for what they want, regardless of what's on the web.

The things I think I need to do before anything can be duplicated would be to finish the stuff I've been working on, like downloads, links, etc. As well, I need to figure out how to monetize the system. I've got an advertising system written into the site already, but need to finish it and adapt it to segregate between the sites so the advertiser could choose which subsites to advertise on and the system would alter the cost accordingly.

The benefit for the users(you guys) would obviously the features being implemented at a much quicker pace and any additional sites you wished existed for a product you like.

I think that's it. My invisible twin's gone quiet so he's either run out of ideas or he's plotting my demise again. I'd be very interested to know what you think, good or bad.

thanks,
json

During my internet forum hopping career wherein i basically ask google strange questions and find myself a guest at a tractor forum or a lawn/graden forum or a forums of many many kinds to where i couldnt even believe i was in a forum for such a thing like a flash light or something, my assumption was you already ran a bunch of simliar sites since they had similar format, each of these sites donate about 100-299.00usd/mo like the uhe & your a multimilionaire who sits around in his underwear and types a lot :bounce3:

What i am trying to say is good idea schwim---start doing what i thought you did already!!! the problem will be getting new people to help start up but it will happen and once you get enough of them established then you will pretty much be a made man, maybe you can automatically start a few that should become popular quick to get some street cred as a BAMF (bad as* mother f*cker) forum starter upper guy, then attack the niche communities

or----you can find what the people want, then just make the site automatially and attach it to the mothership, then make them find the site and WHAMMY! you got them by the balls........

and/or-----go for the niches and go for ones that have already made a similar site and make one of theres tooo, attach it to the mothership and then steal there people too and maybe someone will like yours better and maybe someone will eventually stuff a dollar in your g-string too!!

and/or/a what i am saying is-----------------build it and they will come :cheers:
 
oh yea and also (this is probably not the place to ask/suggest but its on my mind) it may be helpful to be able to link your email to the site and then if you get a response to a thread you replied in or started you get an email,so then you can post back an answer even you you havnt logged on in a week and miss someones question to your post because it fell off the main page or semthing like that. like if you post in it you are subscribed untill you un-subscribe type of thing and get a notification if you get a response....if this exists please tell me how to activate it..................or maybe you can write it in during one of your next modifications :D
 
Heya bergini and thanks for the post.

As for your desire to be notified, check out this page in your user control panel. The last option, "Notify me upon replies by default:" will send you an email when someone notifies to a topic you're subscribed to. You'll only get a notice once until you visit the topic again, meaning if three people reply before you view the topic again, you'll only get one notice. Once you've viewed the topic, the notification will reset and send you another as soon as someone replies.

You can also subscribe to whole forum categories. At the very bottom of the page of a category view, like general, suspension, site updates, etc., you'll see a link titled "Subscribe forum". If you click that, you'll get a notice anytime something happens in that forum category, new topic or a reply.

Let me know if that doesn't get you what you're looking for.

thanks,
json
 
When I showed my 8 year old son a Husqvarna for the first time and explained it was the root of all the Husabergs I own, he started calling them Huskabergs. Like my son, he public tends to get caught up with names, but that doesn't change the old bikes. Keep what you have going now, because changes drive away people. I like this site because of the information exchanged with regard to Husabergs through 2012. They were the best and it will be a long time before KTM makes a Huskaberg that is better.
 
Again, I must emphasize that this has absolutely nothing to do with this site. I tried very hard to make that clear in the initial post that it was in addition to and not a replacement of. I apologize for any confusion the post might have caused.

In regards to never changing, the very first version of the UHE site called from 1998 and begged to differ. ;)

thanks,
json
 
schwim said:
Heya bergini and thanks for the post.

As for your desire to be notified, check out this page in your user control panel. The last option, "Notify me upon replies by default:" will send you an email when someone notifies to a topic you're subscribed to. You'll only get a notice once until you visit the topic again, meaning if three people reply before you view the topic again, you'll only get one notice. Once you've viewed the topic, the notification will reset and send you another as soon as someone replies.

You can also subscribe to whole forum categories. At the very bottom of the page of a category view, like general, suspension, site updates, etc., you'll see a link titled "Subscribe forum". If you click that, you'll get a notice anytime something happens in that forum category, new topic or a reply.

Let me know if that doesn't get you what you're looking for.

thanks,
json


Your so smart json, i knew you would know what to do!!! ill give it a try!!! :cheers:
 
Good ideas here Jason.
What I was thinking was there may be some people requesting an Unofficial site that may end up telling a few friends but maybe the popularity isn't high enough for it to really take off. So it would be a waste of time in that case looking after it maybe wishing it didn't exist.
So in order to be more successful with this you can do a couple of things. One is start several of them yourself
with sites that are about known popular things whether motorcycles or whatever topic because I know you said you want to be unlimited.
By known popular subjects I mean you could look into what a lot of people are into by doing a survey or something. And some things may already seem to be a hit by what we already know. For example, a certain
product that sells a number of units per year to consumers will tell you how many people could be interested
in the site.
Another method to insure success would be to use the same standard I have spoken of by monitoring the requests whether they are worthy of being granted and to deny the ones that you don't feel would grow.
Maybe those considered unworthy can go into a petition phase to prove worthiness.

Just my thoughts

pollo
 
Hi there Pollo and some very good ideas. My thoughts were to "hold" the creation of the new site until so many people signed it's petition. Have a handy link for the people that requested the site and the people that sign the petition to share the petition on the various social networks. That way, they get the exposure they want for the new site and it works as a form of advertising(maybe at the bottom of the share, do a "Want your own?/?" type of link for the main unofficial site).
 

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