engine plates improve FE handling

Taffy · Oct 17, 2012

again I have to disagree. handling is mostly an objective thing whereas suspension is mostly a subjective thing.

I know what is physically happening to every bike at the swing arm. so, if you have good sags I'm saying your bike WILL handle better. I make no claims for the 90KG man on the original springs or the man with the pre-load ring wound off completely! I think I've even said that they WILL NOT NOTICE the difference.

regards

Taffy

steve · Oct 17, 2012

I'll split the difference, maybe. Handling is a subjective thing that's controlled by objective things like geometry, weight distribution etc. But there is a lot of rider style, and physical attributes, in the mix too, and its why what works for some, doesn't for others, and that's at all levels too, right up to GP stuff.

FWIW, I have a 400m test loop that we dial setup on just outside my shed. Then I have a technical 10km single track also starting and finishing at my shed. I have done a lot of test laps here. Then I can go outside my gate and I have 100s and 100s of kms of fire trails and single tracks to play on. To top it off, I'm retired and have the time to play about with stuff that interests me.

Will I be able to pick any differences with the plates? Dunno, but it seems that I'll find out and let you know

Idle · Oct 17, 2012

Pics or video of secret test area please. It's not that I'm jealous, I just need to know how jealous :mrgreen:

Have you tried the plates on your FS Taffy? I trail ride mine and experience the same symptoms both on and off pavement. I really have to yard down on the inside bar to hold a line. Especially on the tighter right handers here (USA). I just wondered if they would help in that regard.

steve · Oct 17, 2012

Idle said:
Pics or video of secret test area please. It's not that I'm jealous, I just need to know how jealous :mrgreen:

But then it wouldn't be secret anymore!

Did a 300 km loop yesterday on the Suzi, and one of the guys took some pics from Badja trig. Do a search in Google earth for 'badja fire trail nsw'. The trig is near the northern end. Views to the surf to the east, and snow caps to the west, and its my extended back yard.

West towards the snow and main range. You can see the snowline if you look closely, about 100 kms away.

East towards the beach and Unzed via the Tasman Sea. Here the curved horizon is the ocean, about 60 kms away to the beach. I can ride trails till the last 5 kms that way.

Unfortunately the 390 died 10 kms from home. Fuel pump perhaps? To be determined

steve · Oct 17, 2012

Idle said:
Have you tried the plates on your FS Taffy? I trail ride mine and experience the same symptoms both on and off pavement. I really have to yard down on the inside bar to hold a line. Especially on the tighter right handers here (USA). I just wondered if they would help in that regard.

And I should add that it could be the left hand side here that's problematic. Its likely the coriolis effect, and/or maybe its because you guys drive on the wrong side of the road :roll:

Taffy · Oct 18, 2012

Idle said:
Pics or video of secret test area please. It's not that I'm jealous, I just need to know how jealous :mrgreen:

Have you tried the plates on your FS Taffy? I trail ride mine and experience the same symptoms both on and off pavement. I really have to yard down on the inside bar to hold a line. Especially on the tighter right-handers here (USA). I just wondered if they would help in that regard.

the plates shouldn't work on the FS. what should happen is that if you take an FS onto the dirt track you should:

turn left, start leaving the corner, open the throttle, bike turns left straight into the inside rope as happened to me when I fitted the plates after I'd fitted an FC rear shock.

anyone who's bike stands up leaving the corner and rolls over and out of the top of a rut = this helps stop it depending on the severity of the problem.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3233&p=112244&hilit=rear+shock+for+enduros#p112244

read the first paragraph of the post from 22/11/10 (USA:11/22/10)

regards

Taffy

zaga · Oct 18, 2012

Well, don’t know if Taffy doesn’t understand my point, don’t want to or it’s my bad English.

I will probably try them anyway, but now I’ll wait for Steve opinion. :mrgreen:

Let me just tell you a story about the “objectivity of handling”:

I’ve been it to off-road for some time now, both on 2 and 4 wheels, driving and helping. Some years ago I was with RALLIART-MITSUBISHI helping with the management of the team, and in one pit stop a very fast driver came out of the car shouting about the bad handling of the car. I talked with the guy in charge of that, he was an “old fox” of RALLIART and he told me to come with him, we went under the car and stood there doing absolutely nothing. So the car took off exactly the same. In the next pit stop the guy went out of the car shouting again and I thought, we have fu..ed it up, he came to me and told me “why haven’t you done this earlier, now I can drive, we wore loosing time, etc .. etc”

That was when I started to understand the “objectivity of handling”

:cheers:
ZAGA

Taffy · Oct 18, 2012

I did a race on Sunday and hopefully judging by the provisional results I came 5th from 120 so I now how to ride and the next over 50 was in about 100th place!

I have continued to develop these ideas and I don't see handling as being anything but objective. you understand what you want, apply it and it happens. it was a black art before books - but not now!

if 50 people don't study "why?" that doesn't make the one who knows "wrong".

to change the subject.
as if he'd been reading my thread here: the rider that has marshalled for the last two meetings called me up just 30-minutes after I re-booted this thread this morning and reported on his plates. firstly: there's no caveat. just a short sweet statement from him.

I ad lib: "you can definately open the throttle earlier and get on the power, the difference is slight".

I asked if he was still on his original suspension and he said 'yes'.

he weighs 17 stones.

so given that he's crushing thew back end I'm happy with that!

regards

Taffy

Idle · Oct 22, 2012

Taffy said:
My originals have been on a paraplegic's bike for a year now and he likes them.

Is this him Taff?

Foundt whilst looking for Rekluse equipped Husabergs. Very impressive riding for first time on a dirt bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sM_GISm ... ata_player

Taffy · Oct 22, 2012

[youtube:dsuqccov]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53DJkO5Wnb8[/youtube:dsuqccov]

it is!

when I left him with the bike the starting was still dodgy. it would JUST catch or run the battery down. he was taking it away to have a power shifter fitted. then it was off to get the frame for his legs done! he hasn't been back in touch since which is I suppose good news.

regards

Taffy

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