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Engine dies at slow speed

Joined Mar 2005
3K Posts | 3+
Mesa, AZ
So here is my question, following the difficulty I had on Sunday.

In normal riding conditions, the engine runs nice. Again, I am so pleased at how regular the power comes, with not nasty hit and simply more and more power available on demand.

It is a 2001 FE501e and I had a lot of difficulties until Berger and I swapped the carb for a newer Dellorto. Jetting may be off a bit, I will review this later on, as it comes from a 470.

Now the bike starts in 6 or 7 kicks cold, without the choke, except for the first couple kicks. Of course, no e-start cold (it's a 2001).

I raised the idle to a level where it is slightly higher than when the throttle is pulled slightly.

First issue: the e-REstart did not work, except 3 or 4 times, maybe, even when the bike was hot.

Second issue: at slow speed, when negotiating bad terrain like rocks and sand, the bike would stall. A sudden stop, not a decreasing one.

The good part is that I could restart the bike in just one kick most of the time.

The current jetting, I don't remember right now, I will pull the carb out and read and post for comment.

DaleEO told me to check the float level, which I will do. I also intend to give the carb a good cleanup, not that I don't trust Berger, but .

What are the different things that I could check?

Right now my workaround is to keep it revving high and to pull the clutch lever when negotiating the technical slow stuff but it does not always work.

Thanks for your help!
 
Hey Le Frog,

Where do you have the ignition selector set at? HI or LO.

I had a similiar problem with my 01 501 in that when I would run the selector in HI, everything would be fine for a while, then all of a sudden, at slow speed, just when I would start to open the throttle it would start to bog a bit, I'd gas it and it would recover. As time progressed, the same situation would occur but, the bike would just keep on bogging and die. No amount of changing the selector back to LO and HI would matter. I found that if I just left it in LO I didn't have any problems, until one day during a race it did the same thing in LO, at low speed start to open the throttle and bog and then die. Almost like it was running out of gas. Well, after having my motor down for a long time, and when I finally got it running again, I was out breaking the motor in and it did the same thing except this time it would not re start with the kicker or the e start, both of which always started my bike before.

My solution was to replace the top coil as I had a similar problem when the bike was new. Except that then it was like someone would just reach up and push the kill switch for a moment. This was a known problem on the 01's, so if it's the original it's very likely that could be the culprit.

On the new top coil the grey wire has been eliminated, thus, no more HI LO adjustment. It's just always going to be in the HI mode I'm assuming. Since replacing my top coil I haven't had any more problems. Be sure and check all your other wiring to make sure you don't have a short in the orange wire which is the ignition grounding wire. You might want to even take the stock kill switch assembly apart to make sure it isn't full of dirt, and to make sure the contacts aren't too close together. Also check around the key switch area as the orange wire is vulnerable there as well. Check all this stuff first, but, by the sounds of it my bet is it's going to be that top coil.
 
I did have it in HI to test the difference, yes, and then switched back to LO, where I found the power more manageable, less "KTMish".

But once it stops, it is very easy to restart on the kick, one good and regular kick from top to bottom and that's it. No need to wait for it to cool down like BKsavs.

It's as if the idle just does not feed the engine enough and I needed to keep it open at at least 15% and pull the clutch as if I was riding a 125 SX with my 240 lbs of rider and gear. I did play with the idle screw and it did not fix it. I wonder if I should not simply rejet. I know the clip is on #2 (I know, we're talking about the idle). I need to check on the idle jet.

Let me take it from the bike and tell you.
 
Have you checked the air screw setting? It might be set just a little to low. I had a problem a while back and turning the screw out 1/8 to 1/2 out took care of it. That is more than likely caused by a very simple thing. This is not the idle screw but the other one. Glad you are riding some, the more you ride the better you will get and also the more used to the bike you will get. Hope this helps.
 
did you ever check your ignition timing?

it's amazing how many people, having heard mine was out have never ever checked their proper timing. i read my report the other day;

"advanced the igniton twice and each time the tickover went up as well (always a good sign BTW!).

regards

Taffy
 
I guess I need to play with the mixture as well, Bill, thanks for reminding. I don't think it is as important as that, Taffy.

By the way, I have no clue how to check the ignition timing ... yet.
 
Meaning a new one could be a good thing?

What is the KTM part # again? I'll play with the carb first, let's try the free fixes first.

Thanks, all.
 
Let me know what you come up with. I just recently bought my 01 470 and it sounds like it's the same way. My Ktm 200 seams a lot smoother in the tight stuff. A friend of mine has a auto clutch on his 470 and seam to make the difference between stalling at low rpm's because it never runs lower thanabout 1200 rpm.
 
When looking at the carb, pay attention to the choke mechanism. If it hangs up a little bit, you could have this effect when you roll off the throttle at low rpm.
Good Luck
 

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