Easy!

Taffy said:

i'm sure you two are going to have a hug when you meet but i can't see what the issue is here?

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Taffy,
The issue is:

"Their is no issue!" :lol:
I simply disagree with what Rick has posted. No personal assault, simply a professional disagreement.

You know the drill as you and I have walked said path more than once.

Sincerely,
Dale

yes i agree.

i will be a little more specific in my questionig though.

have you had a 450, 550 or 650 on the dyno and checked the MJ needs? i realise the 'D' series needle must add say, +8 due to it's wider tip. but 178? shsish!!!

seems to me that i'm down in the 150s and 160 tops would be enough and in the meantime (back at the ranch) i see 170+ gertting towards the horror of horrors - a 180!!!!!

maybe you'd like to clear up just where the hell folks are meant to be with their MJ on a bog stocko husaberg.

regards

Taffy

Taffy said:

yes i agree.

i will be a little more specific in my questionig though.

"have you had a 450, 550 or 650 on the dyno and checked the MJ needs?" because they run an 'E' needle standard the factory has no excuse for over jetting because of a 'large ended 'D' series' does it!

seems to me that i'm down in the 150s and 160 tops would be enough and in the meantime (back at the ranch) i see 170+ gertting towards the horror of horrors - a 180!!!!!

"maybe you'd like to clear up just where the hell folks are meant to be with their MJ on a bog stocko husaberg".

regards

Taffy

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Of course!
and
I was begining to think you were never going to ask. :lol:

With a metering rod taper of 1.15 degrees or more and a #200 main air bleed the main fuel jet should fall between #148 to #155 for peak power @ seal level. For peak torque #155 - #160.

Exceptions to every rule of course.

Dale

PS
Regarding "Stock" (as in DVT / DVR metering rod stock): A #180 main fuel jet or larger.

BOSS said:

All this info here is great. But from 04 till now 06,these bikes out of the crate should run excellent when delivered to the customer.

No more is required in jetting a berg than the other brands before the customer takes her home. As a dealer i wanted to let people who are considering buying a berg to feel confident that there product will run as good or better than the competition's.

If ones dealer cant live up to your expectations maybe you or they could consult with there respective rep. to get you there! Good luck guys 06 is here!!!

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Hmm, my impression of what BOSS is saying here is not that Bergs are jetted out of the crate to go straight to the end user but that they require no more than any other bikes.

Bikes are rarely if ever jetted perfect out of the crate, that's a given, we all realize that! With a little jet tweaking by a competent dealer, these bikes are ready to go. They don't neccessarily need custom metering rods or custom ground cams to be highly competetive or to indeed win races. Sure, there is always room for performance to be enhanced but that is up to the customer.

Rick Norrander
(aka Logjump)

logjump said:

BOSS said:

All this info here is great. But from 04 till now 06,these bikes out of the crate should run excellent when delivered to the customer.

No more is required in jetting a berg than the other brands before the customer takes her home. As a dealer i wanted to let people who are considering buying a berg to feel confident that there product will run as good or better than the competition's.

If ones dealer cant live up to your expectations maybe you or they could consult with there respective rep. to get you there! Good luck guys 06 is here!!!

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Hmm, my impression of what BOSS is saying here is not that Bergs are jetted out of the crate to go straight to the end user but they require no more than any other bikes.

Bikes are rarely if ever jetted perfect out of the crate, that's a given, we all realize that! With a little jet tweaking by a competent dealer, these bikes are ready to go. They don't neccessarily need custom metering rods or custom ground cams to be highly competetive or to indeed win races. Sure, performance might be enhanced but that is up to the customer.

Rick Norrander
(aka Logjump)

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Based on my initial reply I was clearly in agreement:

Hi Rick,
I agree! As delivered the FCR equipped Husaberg performs better than ever. However, such being said and with consideration of the other brands using an OEM FCR "their remains room for improvement".

Where it went wrong from there would need to be addressed by Mr. Bozarth. :lol:

Dale

At the risk of sounding like the president of the Lineaweaver Racing fan club, let me interject. I took delivery of a "brand new" '05 FS650c 2 months ago, and as expected, the bike would start easily and pulled relatively hard thru the gears (I'm at sea level here in sunny Northern California) However, there were obvious problems with the fueling (backfire on decel, surging at certain RPM's, difficulty in holding a steady idle etc.) Took the bike to Dale (who else, especially for a 'Berg!) And I literally got back a different bike! The previous dyno graph you saw was from said bike, but the all important "seat-o-the-pants" dyno was off the chart! It starts easier, idles evenly at lower revs (even when dead cold or hot) pulls like the proverbial tractor and never "surges" on low/partial throttle openings. In addition the entire powerband has a crisper delivery allowing me to get on the gas sooner and with more confidence than before. Riding any bike requires concentration to be done safely and correctly, racing a bike requires 100% of your skill and concentration, and Dale's work has allowed me to concentrate on improving my (meager) skills instead of trying to "ride around" a problem or even thinking about it, it's GONE! It's not a matter of there being something "wrong" with the bikes as delivered, it just makes zero sense to me that someone would buy a purpose built bike like a 'Berg and not have it run at it's optimum level. I'm not saying throw thousands more into getting 10 more HP, it's all about getting the most out of what you already have. Anyone on this board who wants to see what I mean, I will gladly offer use of this bike to demonstrate my (and Dale's) point, It's the single most important thing you can do.
-Rocky-

Rocky,
Thank You!

Dale

Understanding the decision making that goes on at the factory level from my days at Honda, I find it easy to agree with Dale. Why.....current off road/enduro bikes will be jetted lean on the bottom to please environmental concerns and fat on the top to give the manufacturer a margin of safety concerning warranty. There was and always will be someone who runs low test gas WFO for a long duration through a deep sand wash with little air flow. Proper rejetting will no doubt help performance when done correctly. Just my 2 cents worth.
dan