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DOT4 or DOT5.1

Joined Mar 2011
8 Posts | 0+
West Yorkshire, England
Good evening to one and all

was going to change the brake fluid on my 04 FE450, as i have just recently bought it and they appear to have gone soft, tied them off overnight this improves them but they still go soft when riding. Can't be sure when it was last changed, but when i read the owners manual it states to use DOT 5.1 but the brake reservoir says use only DOT 4 so my question is which one DOT 4 or 5.1 :?:
 
Hi there,
I did look into that quite a few years ago, for memory, the dot 5.1 has a higher temperature rating than the dot 4. Not sure how much is in it, may only come into effect under extreme operating conditions.

Someone more qualified on the subject may be able provide more detail and verify.

Regards
 
4 and 5.1 will mix happily, or they do anyway in my mountain bike which says "DOT 5.1 or 4 only" on the master cylinder.

dont use other grades of fluids as they wont mix or can have unwanted effects on your system for example DOT 5 is a completley different fluid to 4 or 5.1 and shouldn't be mixed with anything else.

here's a brief explanation i found;

Boiling point

Brake fluid is subjected to very high temperatures, especially in the wheel cylinders of drum brakes and disk brake calipers. It must have a high boiling point to avoid vaporizing in the lines. This vaporization is a problem because vapor is compressible and negates hydraulic fluid transfer of braking force.

Quality standards refer to a brake fluid's "dry" and "wet" boiling points. Often times, a car will become flooded with brake fluid. Wet boiling point, which is usually much lower (although above most normal service temperatures), refers to the fluid's boiling point after absorbing a certain amount of moisture. This is several (single digit) percent, varying from formulation to formulation. Glycol-ether/dot three/dot four/dot five point one brake fluids are hygroscopic (water absorbing), which means they absorb moisture from the atmosphere under normal humidity levels. Non-hygroscopic fluids (e.g. silicone/DOT 5-based formulations), are hydrophobic, and can maintain an acceptable boiling point over the fluid's service life, although at the cost of potential phase separation/water pooling and freezing/boiling in the system over time - the main reason single phase hygroscopic fluids are used.
Boiling points for common braking fluids [1]

Dry boiling point Wet boiling point
DOT 3 205 °C (401 °F) 140 °C (284 °F)
DOT 4 230 °C (446 °F) 155 °C (311 °F)
DOT 5 260 °C (500 °F) 180 °C (356 °F)
DOT 5.1 270 °C (518 °F) 190 °C (374 °F)

Wet boiling point defined as 3.7% water by volume.
 
Thanks to one and all, think i will go with the owners manual of DOT 5.1 :D
 
5.1 has a higher boiling point. I have used 5.1 in all my KTM and Husaberg race bikes since 1998. Only fluid to avoid is the DOT 5 fluid. It doesn't mix with any of the other DOT fluids without big problems.
 

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