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Don't get it wet !

Joined Jan 2007
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Central Coast NSW Australia
OK here's a strange 1 to get u all thinking.
Episode 1
Riding thru forest all morning, go thru 3 or 4 small creek crossings only about 6 inches or so deep, no probs. Puddle in centre of road - a bit deeper than expected and ploughed straight thru -probably a foot deep. Water sprays everywhere and engine dies.
Pull it apart, no spark at all. Plug and high tension lead is pretty dry but the connections to the stator and CDI are all wet - wait a while, dry it off - nothing.
Lovely tow about 5 kms out of the forest.
Get it home - pull it apart again, check everything with meter, everything checks out OK so I crank it and there is a nice spark. Put it together and away it goes.
I took the time to tape up all the connectors and siliconed the plug lead - that should fix it.

Episode 2
Riding around the coast on some dunes and sandy tracks for hours (3 or so) hasn't missed a beat. Dark clouds appearing - torrential down-pour. Riding back along the road for a couple of minutes in real heavy rain - engine dies.
Under a tree until the storm stops, try to start and away it goes.
Now only light rain, ride a couple of minutes - dead again.
Wait a few minutes, a few goes at starting, same thing again.
This happened a couple more times and the last time it kept going all the way back to the van park.
I didn't do anything since we were away and had limited tools. Checked for water but it really wasn't that wet. The next 2 days I took it out and had no problems. But it was dry.

It's as though you hit the kill switch, it dies that suddenly.
Any input appreciated. I don't know where to start.
If it hadn't happened to me I wouldn't have believed that this amount of water could do this and even now I think maybe it's a coincidence.
I've washed it down with hose and pressure washers and got it way wetter than this and it still started no worries.
Anyone else had anything similar to this happen ??
BTW it's got a rewound stator fitted.

Coops
 
It's as though you hit the kill switch, it dies that suddenly.

Maybe water is getting in your kill switch and causing the contact? Unlikely scenario but may be worth a look.
 
motobando said:
It's as though you hit the kill switch, it dies that suddenly.

Maybe water is getting in your kill switch and causing the contact? Unlikely scenario but may be worth a look.

It's actually a likely scenario. Same thing happened to a buddy of mine on his Gasgas 450.
Check it out for sure.

Make sure you put dielectric grease in all of your connectors.
 
Thanks boys.
It's like that's happening but I didn't really think that it would.
Since you know of someone who it's happened to then it can't hurt to test for it.
I'll start it up and hose down the kill switch and ignition switch... see if it stops.
Coops
 
I had something like that happen on more than one streetbike. What it was was water splashing up just a certain way and hitting the wires around and conected to the coil. Could not get the bike to miss or cut off while washing. I agree with the other posts but also check and water proof the wires around the coil as well. Check to see if you can tell if any wires or coil have been arcing.
Good luck and hope this helps.
 
Hi Coastie
this is the way I deal with cars that are doing same thing, with tank off and small fuel
reservoir, so that all the electrical wires are exposed, with a spray bottle filled with
water and a little ammonia, start to spray low and work your way up, when ever the
engine stops you have most likely found the problem if in doubt let dry and spray the
specifics spot, the ammonia in water makes the solution very conductive

take care VIKING
 
Tomorrow will be the test day if I can doctor up a temporary fuel tank.
Everyone I've spoken to pretty much says the same. Start it up and wet it down from the bottom up til it stops.
The ammonia making the water a bit more conductive sounds like a good plan.
I'm a sparky so it's kind of ironic that I'm having electrical dramas.
You would think that a dead short to ground would be required to stop these things and that water wouldn't really do that but it's just too coincidental. They may stop with high resistance but then I would expect this to be a common problem.
I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks again fellas
 
The plot thickens :?
Started with a spray bottle with only water and wet down everything a section at a time. I couldn't get my hands on any ammonia but mixed up some salt into the water. I could then measure the resistance thru the mix with an ohm meter so it was conductive.
Sprayed it all over. That did nothing either. Dipped the kill switch contacts into mix.
Couldn't make it stop.
In the end I had the tank off and was literally hosing it down. Still kept on running.
It would only stop by dead-shorting orange ignition wire to ground - which is what it should do.
Any other ideas.......anyone.......please help!
 

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