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Did I screw it up?

Joined Apr 2005
68 Posts | 2+
ohio USA
I have taken everyones advice and decided to work with what i've got instead of replacing all three springs for heavier ones. So here goes, I started with the shock and noticed that the lock rings were at the very top. The bike would sag about 2 inches under it's own weight. I started turning until I got bored and locked it down, took the bike off the stand and bounced it a few times and now it sags about 1/2 inch under it's own weight. So...good enough! I moved to the front to increase preload, looked all over the sight for an hour and found a thread that answered my question. (How to set fork preload on '97 FE600E). Took everything apart and found 1 thick (1/8") and 1 thin (1/16") spacers under spring retainer. I figure the difference is from the factory to make the springs identical. I found some PVC and went to hackin'. I didn't want to do this twice so I cut 2 pieces each an inch long,yes an inch and put them in including the 2 factory ones. Put everything back together, bike off the stand and bounced it a few times. The front end before felt like one of those gas shocks that hold up a lift gate on a minivan, so I didn't think I could hurt anything. Now the bike sags in front about 1/2" instead of 3 or 4". I started it up and noticed that the rebound was much faster and could here it hit the top coming back(not hard though). So I clicked my rebounds three more clicks positive and it feels pretty good! The problem, however is I must drive 2.5 hours to know if what I did was stupid and that I just ruined a perfectly good suspension. If you remember my previous questions I've had a problem with the bike being too soft. So soft that you could run over a kids Big-wheel and not feel it. That was great if I was only going to ride on moderate trails, but the trails I ride are pretty violent, lots of pointed rocks, logs, and airborne some. I am completely convinced that If I didn't do something drastic to the suspension, that I would regret it. So 60 miles of trailriding is coming up on me quick, we ride in one week. Am I going to hate what I did? Should I be beat up? or should I just stick with something like needlepoint? Thanks, Volvonut
 
Check your rear sag with you on the bike. It should be 4" lower than the bike with the wheels off the ground Free sag should be 1/2-3/4" that is difference between weight off and just the bike weight. I am sure you will have to increase rebound dampening at both ends. Increase rebound until it stops "kicking you" increase compression until you stop bottoming all the time you want to bottom once in a while.
PS
Did you by any chance CLEAN and instal new fliud. That will make a huge difference.
After you get your sag right we can talk about fluid levels and weight.
 
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Hey Volvonut, I agree with Bobzilla on the rear shock preload. I think a 1" preload spacer on the front springs is way too much and I'm worried that when the suspension reaches full compression the spring will be fully compressed before the you have reached the bottom of your suspension travel and that can cause some serious damage to the spring. Maybe some of the more experienced guys can elaborate better.
 
I think he may be ok with the 1" spacer but the bottom line is you have either sacked out springs or the wrong weight (strength) springs in the front and you will get a better ride by installing the right springs for your weight.
Is the bike new to you? If you are not happy with the suspension after getting the sag set correctly and the bike is new to you, you should clean and instal fresh fluids both ends. You will need access to Nitrogen to charge the shock and a bearing and seal driver for the fork. A shop can do this for you if you want. I agree about working on you own bike but there are some areas that due to tools etc. may be beyond your abilities. Fresh fluids and at the proper height and the correct sag will improve your suspension and then you can decide if you need a revalve or not.
 
Thanks BendBerg and Bobzilla!
The bike was originally purchased in '98 as a '97 model year leftover and was only rode twice at a total of 125 miles. Then it sat in a garage for the rest of the time until I bought it a few weeks ago. I was with the original owner the last time he rode the bike and he let me ride it that day for ten minutes or so. I don't however remember the bike feeling anything but great at the time. So I changed the fluid and put back in exactly what came out in terms of quantity. It has WP sae-5. I just cant for the life of me fiqure out why a basically "new" bike would sag so much under it's own weight, and then with me on it, there isn't much left if you know what I mean. So I took drastic measures. My first posts were asking about spring change and the replies I got said I could dial the suspension without new springs! To recap I'm 6'-1" and weigh 230 without gear. Thanks alot for the info you guys and anyone else has givin. It is appretiated. I just hope I can get this thing set. I am going to set the sag to the specs that you gave and will give the results.
Thanks,
Volvonut
 
You NEED bigger springs front and back to get the most of your bike. It is set up for a 160lbs person who rides like your sister. :D I am a LITTLE FLUFFY myself at 220 so I speak from experience. Search Race tech site for spring rates. If no Husaberg use KTM with *********** from that era.
 
Hi Gang,

What follows is a generic setup guide. there is an assumption that sags are already set. I have a formated xls version if anyone would like it direct, or it could be posted to the downloads section if json is keen.

Steve


Front Suspension Setup Guide

Place Terrain Problem Adjustment
Straight Line Large Bumps Bottoms A increase spring rate
B increase compression
C raise oil level
Feels Low A decrease rebound
B increase spring rate
Medium Bumps Bottoms A increase compression
B increase spring rate
C raise oil level
Feels Low A increase spring rate
B decrease rebound
Feels Hard, Stiff A decrease spring rate
B decrease compression
Feels Too Soft increase compression
Headshake A decrease spring rate
B increase compression
Small Bumps Springy increase rebound
Feels Hard, Stiff A decrease compression
B decrease rebound
Not Reacting To Bumps A decrease rebound
B decrease compression
Corners Heading Into A Turn Nose Dives A increase spring rate
B raise oil level
C increase compression
Headshakes When Braking A increase spring rate
B raise oil level
C increase compression
Harsh When Braking A decrease oil level
B decrease compression
Accelerating Out Of Turns Headshakes When Braking increase rebound
G-Outs Bottoms A increase compression
B raise oil level
Springs Back A increase rebound
B decrease compression
C decrease spring rate
Uphill Under Acceleration Headshakes increase rebound
Consecutive Small Bumps Feels Harsh A decrease spring rate
B decrease rebound
C decrease compression
Feels High A decrease spring rate
B raise fork tubes in clamps
Downhill Feels Low A decrease rebound
B lower fork tubes in clamps
C increase compression
Other Too Soft A increase spring rate
B increase compression
Heavy Feeling decrease rebound
Too Stiff A decrease compression
B decrease spring rate



Rear Suspension Setup Guide

Place Terrain Problem Adjustment
Straight Line Large Bumps Bottoms A increase spring preload
B increase spring rate
C increase compression
Springs Back, Doesn't A decrease spring rate
Track Straight B increase rebound
Packs Down A decrease rebound
B increase spring rate
Medium Bumps Bottoms decrease rebound
Kicks Out In Whoops
Feels Low A increase spring preload
B decrease rebound
Too Stiff A decrease spring rate
B decrease spring preload
C decrease compression
Feels Too Soft increase compression
Doesn't Track straight increase rebound
Small Bumps Springy increase rebound
Feels Hard, Stiff A decrease compression
B decrease rebound
Not Reacting To Bumps A decrease rebound
B decrease compression
Corners Heading Into A Turn Springs Back A decrease spring preload
B increase rebound
C decrease compression
Accelerating Out Of Turns Lack Of traction A decrease spring rate
B decrease rebound
Squats A increase spring preload
B increase spring rate
C increase compression
G-Outs Bottoms A increase spring rate
B increase compression
Kicks Out A increase spring rate
B decrease compression
Springs Back increase rebound
Uphill Springs Back A decrease spring rate
B increase rebound
Bottoms decrease rebound
Kicks Out In Whoops
Downhill Stiff A decrease spring rate
B decrease spring preload
C decrease compression
Springs Back A decrease spring rate
B decrease pspring preload
C decrease compression
D increase rebound
Other Too Stiff Overall A decrease spring rate
B decrease compression
Feels Springy decrease compression
Feels Like Its Not A decrease spring preload
Using Full Travel B decrease spring rate
 
Looked better in draft. P me if you'd like to be able to understand it.
 
steve

i follow you but you need to use spaces and get the gaps and lines right with bold etc. i'm sure that it's dutch to most!




Front Suspension Setup Guide

Place; Terrain Problem Adjustment Straight Line Large Bumps Bottoms
A increase spring rate
B increase compression
C raise oil level

Feels Low
A decrease rebound
B increase spring rate

Medium Bumps-Bottoms
A increase compression
B increase spring rate
C raise oil level

Feels Low
A increase spring rate
B decrease rebound

Feels Hard/Stiff
A decrease spring rate
B decrease compression

Feels Too Soft
increase compression

Headshake
A decrease spring rate
B increase compression

Small Bumps-Springy
increase rebound

Feels Hard/Stiff
A decrease compression
B decrease rebound

Not Reacting To Bumps
A decrease rebound
B decrease compression

Corners; Heading Into a Turn Nose Dives
A increase spring rate
B raise oil level
C increase compression

Headshakes When Braking
A increase spring rate
B raise oil level
C increase compression

Harsh When Braking
A decrease oil level
B decrease compression

Accelerating Out Of Turns Headshakes When Braking ????
increase rebound

G-Outs Bottoms out
A increase compression
B raise oil level

Springs Back
A increase rebound
B decrease compression
C decrease spring rate

Uphill Under Acceleration Headshakes
increase rebound

Consecutive Small Bumps Feels Harsh
A decrease spring rate
B decrease rebound
C decrease compression

Feels High
A decrease spring rate
B raise fork tubes in clamps

Downhill Feels Low
A decrease rebound
B lower fork tubes in clamps
C increase compression

Other; Too Soft
A increase spring rate
B increase compression

Heavy Feeling
decrease rebound

Too Stiff
A decrease compression
B decrease spring rate



Rear Suspension Setup Guide

Place; Terrain Problem Adjustment Straight Line Large Bumps Bottoms
A increase spring preload
B increase spring rate
C increase compression

Springs Back, Doesn't
A decrease spring rate Track Straight
B increase rebound

Packs Down
A decrease rebound
B increase spring rate

Medium Bumps Bottoms
decrease rebound

Kicks Out In Whoops Feels low
A increase spring preload
B decrease rebound

Too Stiff
A decrease spring rate
B decrease spring preload
C decrease compression

Feels Too Soft
increase compression

Doesn't Track straight
increase rebound

Small Bumps Springy
increase rebound

Feels Hard/Stiff
A decrease compression
B decrease rebound

Not Reacting To Bumps
A decrease rebound
B decrease compression

Corners Heading Into A Turn Springs Back
A decrease spring preload
B increase rebound
C decrease compression

Accelerating Out Of Turns Lack Of traction
A decrease spring rate
B decrease rebound

Squats
A increase spring preload
B increase spring rate
C increase compression

G-Outs Bottoms out
A increase spring rate
B increase compression

Kicks Out
A increase spring rate
B decrease compression

Springs Back
increase rebound

Uphill Springs Back
A decrease spring rate
B increase rebound

Bottoms
decrease rebound

Kicks Out In Whoops Downhill Stiff
A decrease spring rate
B decrease spring preload
C decrease compression

Springs Back
A decrease spring rate
B decrease pspring preload
C decrease compression
D increase rebound

Other; Too Stiff Overall
A decrease spring rate
B decrease compression

Feels Springy
decrease compression

Feels Like Its Not A
decrease spring preload

Using Full Travel B
decrease spring rate


i've probably got some of this wrong but it may be a start? i also think it's bloody brilliant and a great help!

regards

Taffy
 
Hi Taff,

Much better, but the column headings that identify the situation are pretty much lost. Do you want to add the Word version to your wonderful epistle?

If so I can forward it to you direct.

Steve
 
The other thing to bear in mind is that you may need damping adjustments beyond your current adjustment range which means a revalve
 
yes please steve, i think it will go down as invaluable again.

please send to :oops: . i will come back here as soon as i have it and destroy this addy.

regards

Taffy
 
Hi Gang,

I've forwarded a Word version of the setup doc the Taffy who'll consider putting it in "The Bible".

In the meantime the above didn't come out very well, its a copy of a table.

I'm happy to forward a Word or Excel version direct if you want, email me at [email protected] and I'll return an intelligible version.

Steve
 
Cody,


I live in Troy, OH which is about 20 mi. north of Dayton. We like to ride in the Wayne National Forest in Southeast OH. We are planning a Hatfield/McCoy and possibly a Daniel Boone in near future. My group and I will be at Wayne National (Dorrhe Run) the 27th of this month.


Volvonut
 

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