COUNTER BALANCER

eman369 said:

HELP:

I NEED A COUNTER BALANCER AND CORRESPONDING GEAR.
ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AS HUSABERG
CORP. LEFT ME HIGH AND DRY TO FEND FOR MY SELF. I AM NOT
HAPPY ABOUT IT. WHAT CAN I DO? LESS THEN TWELVE HOURS
ON THE BIKE AND IT DESTRUCTED THOSE PIECES .

GEARS IN QUESTION ARE IN MY GALLERY

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Hi eman369:

I really don't think you can blame Husaberg Corp. for not stepping up to the plate. You know the history of the bike and you were warned repeatedly about Decker Cycles and knew the risk involved and were confident that:

"
yes the bike is from deckers and I checked it out
personal never had gas in the tank I personally
have had no problems dealing with Tod However
I have noticed that if he feels he is being attacked
he does respond hot tempered and has told
people to get bent or thats your problem I do
not care. I have dealt with him for 4 years and he
has been nothing but helpful willing to give the shirt
off his back to help. sorry for your experience with
e-bay"

O.K. now lets move forward. Perhaps Decker can cooperate with an authorized Husaberg dealer and get you the needed parts at a small percentage over dealer cost. Decker is still a KTM dealer. Also you may want to consider parting it out. This may sound like a terrible thing to do to your recent acquisition but you may recoup your purchase price and then some.

Heck eman365 I got two matching sets of gear broke the same way! I got feed up with the cost of parts (700.00 each time 4 years ago) so I just left the gears and counter balancer out of my 1996 FE501E and took all the e-start stuff off the bike and just kick start the bike. I know that the e-start is a nice option but I just trail ride so I am not in that big of a hurry to get the bike started. One option I put on my 1997 FC 501 is a REKLUSE auto clutch and that save a bunch of starts during the day. Hope you get your bike going so.

On my 1997 FC 501 (that style motor, non electric start) they do not have counter balancers. The vibration will goes up a little bit but not that noticable. Also by not having the counter balancer in the bike it will corner better because the gyro effect caused by the counter balancer is gone. My bike has somewhere around 1000 miles on it since taking it out and have had no problems.

Husabutt,
I think you and quite a few other people are missing the point. Deckers may be a bad dealer in a lot of folks minds, but Eman's 'berg was brand new, even if it was a 1999.
The part(s) that went bad are parts that have went bad for quite a few folks who own 'bergs, and Eman's bike only had two rides on it. Eman did absolutely nothing wrong on those rides, I know because I was with him and rode his 'berg also. It's obvious that there is a manufacturing flaw on those certain models.
I've been riding dirt bikes for 28 years and was also a dealer at one time. I've owned somewhere between 35 and 40 different bikes of all different makes. We had the chance as a dealer to obtain a 'berg franchise, but turned it down. The reason being an obsured amont of 'berg
problems. For the amount of 'bergs out there, it's mind boggling.
I owned a '98 KTM 300 and I was the 3rd owner. Back in '98 there was a recall on the shock valving. It was never performed on this bike. I called KTM, told them I was the 3rd owner and asked if they would honor the revalve. They said it was originally intended for the original owner of the bike, but send send us the shock, and it was done.
A friend of mine owned a '91 Hon. CR 250 back in the mid '90's and he definetly was not the original owner. While riding his bike around the flat yard his shock all of a sudden grenaded, I know, I was there. He called Honda and they replaced his shock for free.
The point is, great customer service ! I've had 13 KTMs in my life so far and I've had very, very few problems. The few I've had, KTM stepped up right away. A quality product along with great support is why I keep purchasing KTM.
I think 'berg has a great design, but the amount of problems with the bikes, the always changing distributorship, etc. makes me and a lot of people I know not want to own one. I also realize that there are 'berg owners out there that have had great luck with there 'bergs, but the bad out weighs the good by far.
My long winded post here is not intended to step on anyone's toes as I know brand loyalty is a strong thing with most. I also realize that Josh and Barrett Mkt. are doing everything they can to right as much as they can and they have been great ! So has Jason here at 'berg.org !
In closing, no matter where Eman bought his bike, it was brand new, the broken parts were not anyone's fault except for a faulty design and 'berg corporate won't stand behind their product.

THAT'S JUST WRONG !!!

...and that is just my personal opinion and not ment to offend anyone,

Brian

Lettuce Ride !!! ???

SlowJoe,
I see you are from Tallmadge. Eman is from Akron and I'm from
Rootstown. We need to get together and do some riding ?

Brian

Brian maybe these bikes were sold to a dealer for consumer resale making your argument correct, but I must ask where did all these 5 year old bikes come from that were still new? Many had parts missing. Manufacturers do get flawed product back once in a while, yes even Honda. Of course Honda would never let flawed or dissected doner bikes into consumer hands. Maybe..... these discounted bikes weren't meant to be sold retail through a dealer, hence Husabergs reluctance to help with a mess Decker create. Whatever the case, they should have been disposed of in a manner where everything is as is and buyer beware. I just don't know who is to blame here .
dan

BP219 said:

In closing, no matter where Eman bought his bike, it was brand new, the broken parts were not anyone's fault except for a faulty design and 'berg corporate won't stand behind their product.

THAT'S JUST WRONG !!!

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I wonder exactly who "Berg Corporate" is. Could it possibly be spelled KTM?

Moving forward:
Can we get part numbers and descriptions of each part eman369 needs?

If these parts are replaced will they just grenade again?

Are these parts different than the ones used for the smaller 501 and 400 motors?

What is the retail price for these parts? Is there a dealer out there who is willing to sell these parts for little above cost to get eman369 going?

I have heard over and over again how strong and reliable the pre 2001 Husaberg motors are and have heard very little bad about the e-start equipped motors as well. A fellow I've ridden with saddled up on a 97 FE400e for five years and never had even a small problem.

I'd just like to see eman369 on the trail again with this unfortunate event behind him.

Logjump

I was told, somewhere, by someone, a story of how these Decker bikes came to pass. I think I was told not to say anything, for some reason. But, who cares at this point, right? As I recall, it goes something like this... Decker bought a huge "box" of bikes, from all over the place, left over from all sorts of different things. The bikes were crated in (whatever) condition they happened to be in at the time they were put into this "box". A handful of bergs got caught up in the mix, and are not distributed to us in the real world. If I am wrong, please correct me.

With that said, this is like one of those no fault clauses. It seems that eman is not going to get his parts at this point, and is left to fend for his own. Which is bogus, since he was told that the bike was new. But, if the story is true, it really isn't necessarily the fault of Decker, other than that they wanted to get rid of the things. So, who should take the hit on this one? Well, honestly, I can't say. Eman's gonna say him, Berg is gonna say them. I would have to side with eman, since the bike was "new" when he got it, and as was mentioned earlier in this topic, a new bike should not have something like this go wrong and have the CUSTOMER take the hit, regardless of whether the bike is an '89 or '05, it's new.

Does this make any sense???

-Parsko

Hello Parsko,
Not really,a bike is only NEW if It comes with a NVIS form and PDI sheet from the manufacturer or distributor.As and example, if a new machine is stolen from a dealer and someone buys it as stolen property that machine is not covered by warranty as it has been written off by the manufactuer also if Husaberg had disposed of these machines as parts to a dealer and that dealer sold them out of trust as complete machines with no delivery documents to support their new claim, then Husaberg can not be held responsible.I don't care what you buy, even a toaster from Walmart ,comes with a warranty in the box,if you don't get the documents then it is not new.
This machine was sold below market value,from what many say is a questionable source, with no supporting documents and nothing in writing to support any kind of warranty claim.The customer took a risk that he felt was balanced by the low purchase price and this time he lost...

Unfortunately for Eman what we have here is an orphan 'berg.

See, KTM Austria (who owns Husaberg) is a completely seperate company
from KTM USA, and Barrett Mkt. Group is a completely seperate company as well, from KTM Austria/Husaberg. So what we have is three completely
seperate and independent companies.

KTM Austria sold Emans 1999 'berg to whoever was the the 'berg USA/NA distributor back in 1999. KTM USA was just a distributor for 'berg's and has completey nothing to do with 'bergs anymore, and will not warranty Eman's bike because of that.

Barrett Mkt. became the N/A 'berg distributor way after Eman's bike hit the US shores, so they should not take the financial hit as they had nothing to do with the bike at all. They have been more than nice to forward and contact the appropriate people on Eman's behalf.

Even though KTM Austria bought 'berg way back when, Husaberg remains a seperate company from KTM Austria. KTM Aus. bought 'berg and copied there design to make their new 4-strokes. Eman's year of bike was the original 'berg design and that year recieved very few if any internal motor updates from KTM Aus.
So, KTM Aus. believes that they will warranty the newer KTM updated machines (roughly 2003-2005 ? ) and not the older designed machines.
Have you noticed how the magazine tests of the 2004-2005 'bergs rave about 'berg performance and reliability ?!
So Eman is stuck with an orphan 'berg. But thanks to this website and 'bergites in- the- know, there seems to be a viable solution. Not perfect, but at least a solution by leaving out the counterbalancer/gear.

I'm from Ohio and live approx. 1/2 hour from Deckers Cycle. KTM's US headquarters is about an hour from me. I became a customer (sorta by default) of Deckers after my original dealer (Dirt Works) sold to Deckers .
I'm completely aware of the beating Deckers has taken on the net, but I must say that for the last 5 years he has treated me great, so I have to give him the benefit of the dought until/if he ever screws me. So far, so good.

For the last 2 years Deckers has went to KTM USA and purchased "demo bikes" approx. 120 bikes at a time. These bikes are magazine test bikes, former factory racers race bikes and practice bikes ( I've seen bikes from Grant Langston, Mike Lafferty, Keith Johnson, Brett Metcalfe, the Garahan brothers, Shane Watts, Kenny Bartram, Josh Woods, John Dowd, Billy Laninovich, Kurt Casselli, etc.), and one-off project bikes.
Some are in great cond., some in not so good, and everywhere in between. All are sold used as is.

This year there were about 14 'bergs at KTM USA that Deckers bought along with the 120 or so KTMs. They ranged in years from 1998 to 2002 and displacement from 400cc-650cc (FCs, FXs, FEs) .
Some were brand new left-overs, some were magazine test bikes, some were raced one time (Elsinore GP, 4-stroke mx nationals,etc.), some were used, and one was uncrated, well used ,with no motor !
Deckers is not and has never been a 'berg dealer. KTM USA is no longer the 'berg distributor, so they unloaded these "Orphan" 'bergs to get rid of them.

For those that believe they have had problems with Deckers , my last part of my email is not intended to defend or slander Deckers. Just thought it would be a good read for info purposes so folks would know how the 'berg / Deckers / Eman / etc. came to be.

BP

Thanks Brian, that was a good summation.

eman369 said:

Thanks BP219

Your summation and situation statement is much better
then I would detail. As it seems, some people take
PERSONAL OFFENSE?? to questions like I was attacking
them personal. Go figure. thanks to those on this site
who have and are helping me get my bike back to the trails
Thank You
Earl

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I reread all the posts in this thread and no one that I can tell took personal offense to your post.

Your post was written in caps which is considered by most shouting. It also contained incomplete information so that if someone were to visit the site for the first time and read your post it could be potentially quite damaging to Husaberg.

I believe that extra care and fairness needs to be taken whenever a failure issue comes up as U.S. importer personnel, Jedi and Supermototeam are active participants here. This is indeed a special and unusual symbiotic relationship.

This little web site and its members have done some really great things that you may not be aware of. Json was instrumental during the dark days of no importer in helping members obtain parts. Members pulled together and purchased Wildbill a new motor. Members purchased Json a Husaberg and presented it to him at the Force ride in appreciation for all he has done. Brett Saunders (Supermototeam) donated some really cool mugs that were given away at the force ride. There are also many other acts of random kindness that members have bestowed upon one another. Getting help and giving help seems to be a big part of what this site is about.

Please don't take offence to my post. I was only trying to correct what was percieved by me as an imbalance .

BP219 send me an e-mail so I can give you me phone number. Hopefully we can hook up and go ride sometime. Hey Eman396 if you need help getting the berg back together I will be more then willing to lend a hand. So guys hope to hear from you.

SLOWJOE
E-mail [email protected]

EMAN396 did you get your motor back together yet?