BRC coup d'ÃƒÂ©tat? Bill Dart ouster.

Brendan · Sep 17, 2004

I received the following as an email that originally came from Bill Dart. I do not know the other side of the story.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dart [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:06 PM
To:

Fellow Riders & Friends

Some of you may know that last month I was issued a citation by the Forest Service alleging I was conducting a commercial operation on FS land, guiding for a fee. I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to get into the specifics of the issue, but I am fighting the citation and I expect to be vindicated in the end. Many of you know that I am involved in organizing lots of group/club rides over the years, but I have never asked for any compensation for my efforts beyond the pleasure of riding with my friends.

Due to my high profile position with BlueRibbon, I have been placed on administrative leave until the matter is resolved, and regardless of how the legal case is resolved, I may lose my job, and my career as an OHV advocate, even though this is a relatively minor matter even if I am convicted. The fine, if I were to just pay it, is $200, but the stakes are far higher for me, my passion and my livelihood. But the affect on me personally is less important to me than what the affect will be on the OHV community long-term. We are fighting for the survival of our sport as we know it today, even with a supposedly Ã¢â‚¬Å“friendlyÃ¢â‚¬Â

husabutt · Sep 18, 2004

This seems insane.

Did we just wake up and find ourselves in a parallel universe where nothing makes sense?

A mans career may be ruined because he took some people on a guided ride in the forest. Maybe he received a few dollars for it and maybe he didn't. Does he get to deduct for expenses? What if he lost money on the deal. Would he still be guiding for a fee. Why is this a crime? Against who?
Who the hell cares? I suppose in the eyes of a few lawmakers it would be better to venture out into the forest alone, get lost and die than have a guide. Jeez.

schwim · Sep 18, 2004

husabutt said:
I suppose in the eyes of a few lawmakers it would be better to venture out into the forest alone, get lost and die than have a guide. Jeez.

If you're a tree nazi, then that's exactly what you'd rather have happen. They of course would pull your OHV out of the woods, probably melting it down for helmets to block cell phone radiation....

thanks,
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Splat · Sep 18, 2004

Brendan said:
I received the following as an email that originally came from Bill Dart. I do not know the other side of the story.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dart [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:06 PM
To:

Fellow Riders & Friends

Some of you may know that last month I was issued a citation by the Forest Service alleging I was conducting a commercial operation on FS land, guiding for a fee. ...

I think the obvious question here is
"What about hunting and fishing guides?"

This is clearly a double standard. Hunters and fishermen hire guides every year and where do their guides lead them? On FS land.

I know of several hunting guides that take people in the Rockies, are not the Rockies FS land?

Maybe a guide needs to purchase a permit to operate on FS land.

Though, I can't see why BRC should fire him over this issue.

Especially since he was not compensated for his time on this venture.

logjump · Sep 18, 2004

Brendan said:
I received the following as an email that originally came from Bill Dart. I do not know the other side of the story.

Bill Dart makes it sound as if he is so innocent of any wrong-doing. I would certainly like to hear the "other side of the story". Seems fairly suspicious since the BRC (Blue Ribbon Coalition) usually makes a stand for enthusiasts of our sport. Wonder what the Forest Service's and BRC's version is of what's going on.

Log

DaleEO · Sep 18, 2004

I have been an avid supporter of the BRC for some years now. I find it disturbing that action would be taken by the BRC board before Bill case has been decided.

Basically this kind of action by the board, is, in my opinion, contrary to edict of the United States Constitution. And that is: Innocent until proven guilty

Unfortunately, there are numerous other instances that violate this written edict, as well as the spirit of it. The first instance that comes to mind is random drug testing. Doesn't matter whether or not you're doing your job safely, and efficiently, every so often you have to prove your innocence. To this end, I am reminded of a quote from one of the forefathers of our country ( I think it was Thomas Paine) who said: " Anyone who would give up Liberty and Freedom for a little temporary safety deserves neither".

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