Appears to be good news for AZ

I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't trust the Sierra Club. But, I will hold out hope that this will work. The NRA (of which I am long time member) has tremendous political clout due to their huge membership of around 3.5million.

Thanks for posting on the surface it looks good.

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Have been watching this in the NRA newsletter. Sierra Club can indeed be sneaky. Cross your fingers........

DaleEO said:

I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't trust the Sierra Club. But, I will hold out hope that this will work. The NRA (of which I am long time member) has tremendous political clout due to their huge membership of around 3.5million.

Thanks for posting on the surface it looks good.

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The NRA is supporting it because of all these morons who discharge their guns on trash they leave behind with the shells.

I could tell you so many stories, for instance the day I saw targets plastered on one side of the trail and when I looked on the other side: 3 morons with rifles saying hi to us, which means you can be moronic AND polite. I have seen many other crazy things in the desert, usually involving teenagers, alcohol and a handgun, it's so not funny.

I do not know what the role of the NRA in that is, because I am not a member (which does not mean I do not own a lead distribution device), but it seems to me they are trying to have the shooters clean up and be more responsible, as they are giving shooters a bad image, just like some quadtards, mxtards and jeeptards can give just as bad an image of off-roading.

By the way, I have seen the job that ATR has done at the Boulders (aka MM 11.5, the first area where we rode at the Force Ride two yeards ago) and I have to admit that Berger and his friends did a great job!

We have to do the same at Sycamore Creek (which was the last area where you guys rode, and without me, due to injury). And that's a shooters and 'tards Mecca.

Froggy,

You put it well about tards, it's what I call the 2% rule. 2% of any group screw it up for the rest of the group.

Educate yourself about the NRA, go to their web site and look for what they are doing in your area in regards to this topic. You will find that this organization is just one of many that are indeed trying to restore habitat for their passion, and the preservation of a heritage they believe in. As well as sharing the land for others to use. The NRA supports responsible land use, and strict enforcement of existing laws.

So I don't believe that your statement:
"The NRA is supporting it because of all these morons who discharge their guns on trash they leave behind with the shells." is at all accurate. In fact, I believe that nothing could be further from the truth.

Here's a few links that make for some good education on what the NRA is really about, not what CNN, or other main stream media outlets tell you they are about.

And I do see that I made a mistake in my above post, the NRA does not have 3.5 million members, it's 4 million members. The AMA by comparison has about 260,000 members.

http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=251

http://www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=10192

http://www.nraila.org/Hunting/Read/Hunt ... 524&type=L

http://www.nraila.org/Hunting/Read/Fact ... spx?ID=124

http://www.nraila.org/About/

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FAQ/?s=21

http://www.nra.org/aboutus.aspx

Dale, I did mean that the NRA is indeed trying to clean it up, and not that they wanted to protect the rights of the shooters who leave their trash and shell casings behind. The NRA is not very happy about these idiots since one of their local reps (I believe it was a lady) tried to meet and talk with them and got shot at 8O .

As far as the 2% rule, it sounds about right. I have seen retarded hikers too. That was in the Alps, and they thought it was funny to pick protected flowers when they knew it was illegal in the National Park, left their trash behind and even one decided it would be funny to run after the marmots (the marmots outsmarted him each time, easily).

Sorry fellas, but I ABSOLUTLY don not trust trhe sierra club. I'm telling you there is a hole in this legislation somewhere. They would not support this unless there is an angle to screw the rest of us. I hope I'm wrong, but ...... how many times have you seen a leopard change it's spots ?

i'm kinda curious why there is no buzz at all about this in the az specific forums i attend? whassup with that?

Here ya go Ned.....interesting
http://www.arizonatrailtalk.com/cgi/yab ... 1201208799

http://www.southwestdirtrider.com/cgi/y ... 1201210218

LeFrog said:

Dale, I did mean that the NRA is indeed trying to clean it up, and not that they wanted to protect the rights of the shooters who leave their trash and shell casings behind. The NRA is not very happy about these idiots since one of their local reps (I believe it was a lady) tried to meet and talk with them and got shot at 8O .

As far as the 2% rule, it sounds about right. I have seen retarded hikers too. That was in the Alps, and they thought it was funny to pick protected flowers when they knew it was illegal in the National Park, left their trash behind and even one decided it would be funny to run after the marmots (the marmots outsmarted him each time, easily).

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Thanks for the clarification, I took it the other way. .

berger said:

Here ya go Ned.....interesting
http://www.arizonatrailtalk.com/cgi/yab ... 1201208799

http://www.southwestdirtrider.com/cgi/y ... 1201210218

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Well all I have to say is "Where do I pay?"

(I just picked up my State Land Recreational Use Permit, by the way).

i'm kinda curious why there is no buzz at all about this in the az specific forums i attend? whassup with that?

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what i meant was "current buzz". the topic just seemed to fizzle out.