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99 FE400, cuts out on landing a jump...

Joined Mar 2006
33 Posts | 0+
Chester, SC
I tore down the carb the other night, it's bone stock as far as I can tell(195 jet), I coudn't see any visibile wear on the jet or needle(doesn't mean there wasn't any). Wasn't dirty, but I cleaned it up anyway, no blocked passages, etc.

I seem to be reading that the floats in the bowl might not be adjusted properly.

The bike seems to carbuerate well on the rev range, but this cutting out when I land a big jump thing is annoying...

The last plug I pulled has a bit much carbon on it, but I've only owned the bike around a month, and it was a slightly colder plug than spec'd in the manual(9E,manual calls for 8E)), I put in an Autolite 4303, which runs around 7E-8E, ...no real change on it's behavior, maybe the carbon will go away... :)

Anyone know what the floats should be set to if that is the problem?

Bike has standard Dellorto 38mm....
 
Try putting Ts on the vent lines. Run the upper hoses up high and the lower hoses the way they should be. Might help. Do a search on float adjustment. Hope this helps.
 
Thanks Dale. I had trouble with you link, but hearing your opinion on the float adjustment I found a tasty link with neat stuff on Dell O's.

Here it is specifically on the float adjustment:

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender/ ... height.htm

If you back up the address a bit, it gives you all sorts of info on Dells...


Thanks for the advice, I'll adjust the floats sometime this week and hopefully that will cure it.

I've been helped every time I've asked a questions here, seems its time to donate now since I've been leeching for a week or two now.

:)
 
You can try enlarging the bolt at the bottom of the carb to allow more fuel to surround the main jet.
 
Hmmmmm....

Floats checked out perfectly....

I bent the bottom float tab a bit to close things up a bit to make sure it was letting fuel in....but everything measured right on spec.....and the bike still cuts out on larger jumps..(but carburates great otherwise)


In doing this I realized something else however....I saw the fuel kind slowly pissing out of the hose when I disconnected everything to check the float bowl...as I forgot to turn the fuel valve off initially...

I thought to myself...that is an aweful slow rate at which it's coming out...
but....the bike isn't running and so the "vacuum" operated fuel pump is slowing things down I'm thinking...

So here's the question:
What if the fuel pump itself is the problem? I noticed that they sell rebuild kits for this thing....hmmmmm(I decided to buy one for a whole $5.00)

So, do I land larger jumps, and the pump isn't really functioning well(if at all) and the carb gets starved of fuel?


Anyone have that problem before?

I guess I'll try the rebuild kit and see if it helps.

Also of note, there was a fuel line running from the vacuum ports on the pump and manifold....any chance of that being an issue?(should be a vacuum line right?)

Questions...questions...questions...
 
Nickelodeon,

I have problems with my engine cutting out for a fraction of a second when I am WOT through the biggest and nastiest of whoops. Seems that the little whoops are nothing, but the big ones cause my bike to coff at the bottom of each dip, much like a hard landing off a jump. My theory with the Dellorto carburetors is that a sudden impact with the ground, at a high enough speed or velocity (which I believe is relatively low in the case of the Dellorto), allows the mass of the fuel inside the main jet to overcome the vacuum pulling it out. In other words, the kinetic energy of the fuel moving from the float bowl through the main jet into the venturi of the carburetor is overcome by gravity and also the abrubt change of direction of the carburetor (ie. motorcycle) during a harsh landing wether it be a jump or a whooped out section of terrain. The float bowl of the carburetor holds sufficient fuel storage for several seconds of WOT ridding so I would presume that if fuel starvation was a problem, it would not be noticed only during jumps as the landing from a jump is only a fraction of a second to two seconds tops, not enough time to deplete much fuel from the float bowl at all.
I personally feel that this is just a design flaw and weakness of the Dellorto carb and if you want to rectify it you will be better off moving to a FCR. Of course this is only my opinion and theory after pondering this topic a few times myself. :?: That brutal rush of rear wheel spin almost comes to a complete standstill for a fraction of a second when I hit those hard whoops hauling ***..... almost throws me right over the handlebars, then the power comes right back after an instantaneous stall and my arms get ****** out of the sockets as the bike bike lunges forward moving back into warp speed. :wink: These are my thoughts on the topic, anyone else have an idea or know something we don't?

Regards,
 
Hmm...good points.

I'm off the gas in the air, or slight throttle at times on landing...

your right though...the float bowl should hold enough gas even if the fuel pump is working marginally...

I'm really stumped....at least I know now that someone else has a similar problem..

Nick
 
Fuel is likely being splashed into the float bowl vent lines momentarily cutting fuel supply hence the introduction of "T" vents.

Dale
 
I guess I should have take Wild Bill's advice earlier. My two top vent hoses are shaped 180 degrees, facing downwards....I thought this was a good thing(it's the same way as I bought the bike)...

I figured water couldn't get in that way.

Now the bottom vent, that was cut short when I got the bike, and cut where it would dump fuel right on the exhaust pipe, which was of concern to me, so I replaced it and ran it to just above my swingarm pivot(maybe too low?)

Two questions:

1. Do I use a plain old brass "T" fitting, and route the two top vent hoses into it? What of the lower vent?

2. How does a "T" fitting stop the vents from getting plugged up with gas when it's sloshing around?

Thanks.

Nick
 
Nickelodeon said:
I guess I should have take Wild Bill's advice earlier. My two top vent hoses are shaped 180 degrees, facing downwards....I thought this was a good thing(it's the same way as I bought the bike)...

I figured water couldn't get in that way.

Now the bottom vent, that was cut short when I got the bike, and cut where it would dump fuel right on the exhaust pipe, which was of concern to me, so I replaced it and ran it to just above my swingarm pivot(maybe too low?)

Two questions:

1. Do I use a plain old brass "T" fitting, and route the two top vent hoses into it? What of the lower vent?

2. How does a "T" fitting stop the vents from getting plugged up with gas when it's sloshing around?

Thanks.

Nick
You can use plastic Ts. There is a kit out that can be found in a Dennis Kirk. The kit comes with 4 Ts and a length of hose and a filter box.
What the T routing does is prevent vapor lock, if fuel splashes into the vent. That prevents air from entering, with just the downward turned hose. With the T air enters from the above as well.
Can find same size hose at Wal-mart at fish tank supplies. Take a length of old to match up.
Hope this helps
 
Ok, I'm a little slow sometimes...

So I leave one side of the T (pointing upwards) open towards the air?

How about the lower hose, do I do the same thing?

Thanks again
 
Never mind, I finally find some pictures of the deal on the web....some people leave the empty hoses facing upwards...

That looks a little risky to me...I'm gonna get the vent kit PCR makes which has a filter for the top hoses...

Thanks for everyone's help. Even though I'm new to dirt biking, my increasingly long jumps/improving ability are making me do more mechanical crap than I enjoy...

I didn't have to worry about this vent crap stuff in roadracing.... :)

Oh well, I'm still having fun.
 

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