I have 83 hours on a 09 fe 450 and need to rebuilt, new cylinder, piston rings and valve guides and new valves, I have not even adjusted valves yet as they were still in spec.. I just replaced clutch after burning middle three plates . I replaced as a set then cleaned filters , cleaned screen , changed oil etc, rode for a couple hours then rode for 4 km next day when it stopped running, bike then fired up and ran great for 2-3 kms and stalled again, no compression failed leak down test and then torn down, to find siezed rings in piston and scored jug, valve guides out of spec and intake valve leaking. Dealer basically needs to do complete top end rebuild. There was no signs of any performance loss or smoke from the pipe and started great everytime, Great Bike until now!!!! Does this seem a little strange or premature wear? Never watered out and well maintained with clean air filter using no-toil and Motul semisynthetic oil. any input from anybody would be greatly appreciated. Dealer is scratching thier heads too!!
By your description it sounds like a oil related problem, or lack there of.
How badly contaminated were the "filters"? Was the sump pick up screen plugged up?
How badly contaminated were the "filters"? Was the sump pick up screen plugged up?
sump screen was not plugged but did have clutch debris on it when extracted ,then thoroughly cleaned and installed.
What kind of riding
Just how fast are you, Fastat50....in other words, just how hard were you running the bike? Lots of time pinned? Lugging in woods? Single track? How you burn clutch? Overheat when you burn clutch? WTF?
mIKE
Just how fast are you, Fastat50....in other words, just how hard were you running the bike? Lots of time pinned? Lugging in woods? Single track? How you burn clutch? Overheat when you burn clutch? WTF?
mIKE
RE: What kind of riding
Sounds like you cooked it a coupla times.
Did it boil? How was the coolant?
Sounds like you cooked it a coupla times.
Did it boil? How was the coolant?
overheated slightly once, but shut it down asap, ran the bike for a couple good rides since then and an enduro which was the clutch burner,,300-400 kms after over heating was logged on , I run the bike as one would ride this style of bike, I don't baby it, but i do maintain it and when there is something mechanical to fix ,,its done, oil changed every two to three rides and definetly before racing. Just wanted to know if there is anyone with a similar problem. This bike was one of the first one's to come into the country. Any feed back on total hours for other 09 450's would be appreciated. Thanks
oh yeh ,,, dispite the short lived engine ,, the bike is a blast to ride and can't wait to ride it again, best out of the box bike so far , easy to clean and maintain. Return on investment,,,,,not so good,,,, beats golfing!!!
fastat50 said:
From a post by member Dustbite a few months back:
nothing in particular.
two bikes entered service in December last year, the other two bikes somewhere around March I believe.
The statistics:
1st 450: 14436 km 375 hr
570: 12810 km 326 hr
the other 450s
8455 km 221 hr
7239 km 189 hr
totals: 42.940 kms! 1 111 hr More than I realized!
We do our oil changes typically after 5 days of riding, sometimes stretching it to 6 or even 7 days. (one day equals about 4.5 hr)
I use Putoline full synthetic oil because it is easy to get for me.
After initial frequent valve clearance checks I almost started to forget about it. The clearance becomes more, mainly on the exhaust valves. It turns out that the shims are worn away where they touch the valve stem.
Inlet stays within limit.
Mind you: with the old models we had lots of problems as my area can be extremely dusty. The intake valves would wear out very quickly.
Can't really think of anything negative.
In September last year I made myself buy a Yamaha, just to give the brand a chance to prove itself reliable.
The bike has performed well with just the regular wear-&-tear on the bearings and other parts. Clients love the bike but I have no affinity with it. Its without character.
Fuel consumption is highest though!
And checking the valves or even worst changing the shims needs careful planning and a lunch in between.
I took one of the newest 450 to Erzberg, Austria and had no problems with it, not with the battery power, not with running hot or otherwise. My mechanic Merlin (that's his first name, yes) felt more comfortable on an old 501. he depleted the battery, boiled the engine but I think it might be his riding style.
Man I love these bikes! In my humble opinion perhaps nearing the "PERFECT BIKE"
I have pm'd him for an update so we'll see what he has to say now.
Dale
Thanks Dale E O, That was the life span i was expecting, so I was quite surprised to experience different, with no signs of noise smoke or other, new 2010 cylinder/piston kit being installed and hope to get a couple more seasons out of the bike, I'll report back when i pick up the bike and bad parts so i can see for myself. The bike has always started even in minus temperatures. Hope to ride it this weekend again. I'm not done with it yet!!!
Took apart a 450sx that had all those symptoms once. Tracked it back to the airfilter not getting seated properly. It was pretty obvious as there was sand (from the dunes) on the top of the piston.
fastat50 said:
Here is Dustbites updated report on his bikes. He gave me permission to just copy and paste from his pm.
Hi Dale,
It's our high season, that's why I haven't been around here.
I quickly checked the bikes:
oldest two bikes (Dec 2008):
450 - 563 hr 21591 km
570 - 505 hr 19837 km
"newer" two 450s (March '09):
- 396 hr 15319 km
- 416 hr 15930 km
three bikes received new piston- rings and timing chain. They started consuming a lot of oil and starting became difficult.
One bike needed a new cylinder. The old cyl. showed two light colored spots where the compression ring reaches TDC.
at € 465,- RRP for cyl & piston you won't hear me complaining (minus a dealer discount).
The timing chain stretches a lot, so much that the tension rail rests on the cam-shaft gear wheel! It results in a lot of clacking noises by the hydr tensioner at low rpms.
The good news is that the chains seems to be unbreakable. I didn't change the gear wheels but it will be necessary next time as the Morse type chain wears out the gear wheel in a very different way as a chain with rolls.
The 570 seems to get hotter than the 450s (well, obviously I guess). Sometimes the one-way reservoir breather-valve blocks at this bike and the pressure rises so much in the reservoir that it starts leaking at the pump flange.
But: with one group the bike seemed to boil and loose cooling liquid. But with the next group: no problems. So it might be driver related. That's the whole problem with fora anyway: 10.000 members and 10.000 different opinions....... And riding in my nick-of-the-woods has a different impact on a bike that elsewhere, that's another important factor to consider.
From a tour- business point-of-view: I don't think there's a better bike! Honestly, we have so little troubles with the bikes, it's amazing.
The shims of the exhaust hammer in, putting back a shim in the original thickness brings the gap back to specs!
That's very, very different from the older Husaberg models and the 2003 KTMs I owned; the intake valves were always "eaten away" by the very fine dust we have here.
hope this kills your curiosity
cheers,
Adriaan
An excerpt from his email to me that I really wanted to print to give Cheeseberger something to shoot for. "My trusty 550 must have done more than 45.000 kms!! (the odometer is kaput) It still has the original piston, cylinder, crankshaft, gearbox, clutch.
TeamSOS said:
I'm not sure, look up Algarve off road, that's dustbites site. By the sound of his email to me, there is a lot of dirt riding. Still, that's a lot of hours eh?
Yes, that's impressive. I was surprised at the oil change interval. Do you guys change the filter and clean the screens at every oil change?
thats a good report dale/dustbite
husaberg has certainly come a long way since the dim dark days of unreliability.
i can't really see anyone else doing more that 400hrs in that little time.
it is certainly up there with the jap reliability,if not better.
i was certainly a skeptic,saying i will never buy the 1st of a new model of anything(especially a husaberg) until proven.
good on ya husaberg & ktm good stuff.
now can start making a 650 again?please, & maybe a 300cc 2stroke that is pressure fed like a 4 stroke ,come one now.... think outside the square again mr berg.
..weed..
husaberg has certainly come a long way since the dim dark days of unreliability.
i can't really see anyone else doing more that 400hrs in that little time.
it is certainly up there with the jap reliability,if not better.
i was certainly a skeptic,saying i will never buy the 1st of a new model of anything(especially a husaberg) until proven.
good on ya husaberg & ktm good stuff.
now can start making a 650 again?please, & maybe a 300cc 2stroke that is pressure fed like a 4 stroke ,come one now.... think outside the square again mr berg.
..weed..
Hi everyone,
Some additions to my report:
All bikes are strictly riding dirt tracks and (sometimes) steep uphills, because we love it so much ourselves. So 97-99% off road.
Guest's level is very divers; from absolute beginner to competitive rider. All can do their thing as long as they remember that we make our living with these bikes.
I had the pleasure once to rent two bikes to Joel Smets and Gerhard Forster. Those are really memorable moments (and had a first glance of the new BMW X).
Oh yes; many people never heard of Husaberg but are very impressed after riding them:
being unknown makes to be unloved (Dutch saying).
For the new models I do replace the oil filter every oil change. Mainly because of the hydraulic timing-chain tensioner. But this might change again once I'm sure what is causing the infamous symptoms (rattling at low RPMs/tick-over)
The older models: every second or third oil change, just as is convenient.
Only when you're riding on a very competitive level I would change the oil after every ride. Otherwise I consider it to be a waste of money, time and oil.
We pretty much forgot about checking the valve clearance on a regular basis. That's so much different from the older models where you have to be on top of things all the time: timing chain, balancer bearings, rockerarm rollers.
On the other hand: the newer models seem to be in need of new piston rings much sooner than the old models (between 12.000 and 14.000 km). I can't really explain why, perhaps someone with an in-depth knowledge of combustion engines can.
Could it be the near horizontal position of the cylinder? I don't know. or different materials for cylinder and piston and piston rings.
About the bike where this tread is about: the burnt clutch gives an important clue I guess. Or it's a combination of a "Monday morning" bike and a very hard riding style.
Only close examination of the parts can tell that story.
But this is sure: this one is "the exception on the rule" These bikes don't fail like this on a regular basis.
Ciao,
Adriaan alias Dustbite
PS: I can't wait to get rid of the one Yamaha in my stable. The startermotor failed (burned) and clients don't want to kickstart. A new one costs 430,-. Compare this to Husaberg/KTM: depending on the model, from 240 to 285,- all prices RRP.
Some additions to my report:
All bikes are strictly riding dirt tracks and (sometimes) steep uphills, because we love it so much ourselves. So 97-99% off road.
Guest's level is very divers; from absolute beginner to competitive rider. All can do their thing as long as they remember that we make our living with these bikes.
I had the pleasure once to rent two bikes to Joel Smets and Gerhard Forster. Those are really memorable moments (and had a first glance of the new BMW X).
Oh yes; many people never heard of Husaberg but are very impressed after riding them:
being unknown makes to be unloved (Dutch saying).
For the new models I do replace the oil filter every oil change. Mainly because of the hydraulic timing-chain tensioner. But this might change again once I'm sure what is causing the infamous symptoms (rattling at low RPMs/tick-over)
The older models: every second or third oil change, just as is convenient.
Only when you're riding on a very competitive level I would change the oil after every ride. Otherwise I consider it to be a waste of money, time and oil.
We pretty much forgot about checking the valve clearance on a regular basis. That's so much different from the older models where you have to be on top of things all the time: timing chain, balancer bearings, rockerarm rollers.
On the other hand: the newer models seem to be in need of new piston rings much sooner than the old models (between 12.000 and 14.000 km). I can't really explain why, perhaps someone with an in-depth knowledge of combustion engines can.
Could it be the near horizontal position of the cylinder? I don't know. or different materials for cylinder and piston and piston rings.
About the bike where this tread is about: the burnt clutch gives an important clue I guess. Or it's a combination of a "Monday morning" bike and a very hard riding style.
Only close examination of the parts can tell that story.
But this is sure: this one is "the exception on the rule" These bikes don't fail like this on a regular basis.
Ciao,
Adriaan alias Dustbite
PS: I can't wait to get rid of the one Yamaha in my stable. The startermotor failed (burned) and clients don't want to kickstart. A new one costs 430,-. Compare this to Husaberg/KTM: depending on the model, from 240 to 285,- all prices RRP.
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This a what happen to me my bike is older but same idea. Day two of the enduro about 3 hrs in my clutch started to make noise than started to slip the second gas stop was not there when we showed up and we carried on about 12 miles from the third gas stop I ran out. When I got back to camp the bike was smoking bad.Long story short the clutch material mixed with the oil making it like lapping compound running through the motor and totally wore out and brand new rebuild with less than 15 hrs on.Had to replace the Piston Rod,Big end sleeve valves the whole thing. in less than one year $4000.00 in parts and labour.So when you hear the clutch going shut it down no good will come of it.
And I change my oil and filter after every two to four hours of riding oil is cheap motors are exspansive oh yeh at the time I used Motul 10w50 no more Rotella 15w40 clears it self faster from cylinder walls.Better.
fedge
And I change my oil and filter after every two to four hours of riding oil is cheap motors are exspansive oh yeh at the time I used Motul 10w50 no more Rotella 15w40 clears it self faster from cylinder walls.Better.
fedge
The problem is solved. When the clutch expoded, debris plugged the screens and the lack of oil barfed the top end.
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