This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

2005 Fs650 won't turn over after adjusting valves!

Joined Mar 2008
30 Posts | 0+
Hi,

hope someone can please help!

I had a bad running problem at 1/4 throttle so stripped and cleaned out the carb and found loads of dirt so fully cleaned out the whole carb blew it through and put it all back together, while I was there I adjusted my valves as I had yet to do it after 1000miles....mmm...they seemed a little tight any way I got engine to TDC and did inlet first, am I right in thinking that when at TDC you can just start to move the rocker arms up and down that .1 of a mm where as when not at TDC they are solid? So anyways I adjusted them up to .12mm and then did the same for exhaust TDC then finally felt a bit of up down movement and could jam the feeler gauge under so adjusted to .12mm

Have put the bike back together went to start it only to find it will turn over fine with the decomp leaver pulled in but without it the engine feels very tight and it wont turn over at all.....HELP! what did I do wrong?!

Thanks!
 
Did you adjust at TDC on the compression stroke? If the exhaust valves are too loose the autodecompression device's effect will be lessened and therefore not bleed off enough compression.
 
to be honest... I don't know!
It doesn't say in the manual how to actually check the valves just says get to TDC. Is it bes tto remove the fly wheel cover and use the TDC marks?

Should you adjust the inlet/exhaust valves on the compression stroke?
 
take the right cover off and get the timing marks to the top at 12 o' clock.

put it in 6th gear with the plug out plus bike on a jack-in-the-box stand. turn the rear wheel by hand in the forwards direction and watch all the tappets drop for open and then up to close.

when you are ready watch the inlets drop open and then come back up to close. just as they close the timing marks will be at 10-11 o'clock and all you do now is turn that baby till the marks are at the 12 o'clock position.

this is TDC on the compression stroke and both sets of tappets can be done no problem.

disconnect the decomp spring.

try an do the 1/6th turn method as its more reliable.

regards

Taffy
 
Thanks for that Taffy,

At TDC on the compression stroke is neither the inlet or ex valve's open or closed they sit in a middle state and it's at this point they are adjusted at the same time?

Just trying to get the science downloaded into my head!

just read up on the 1/6th turn, basically its the hex of the nut to the next hex, simple as that! so lightly seat the adjuster then back out one hex!


Cheers
 
Hi Husa
Yep thats right at TDC on compression both valves are shut cos thats when the bang takes place.
For them to close they need to be on the lowest part of the cam lobe. At any other spot around the lobe there will be no freeplay since they are getting pushed down against the spring pressure.
You can also get comp TDC by feel by using your finger in the plug hole but if you're new to all this then try it the different ways a couple of times to get the hang of what we're all talking about. Don't stick anything down the plug hole that can drop into the plug hole - like a pencil hey BigBob :p .
As Taffy says remove the spring on the manual/kicker decomp arm so it doesn't affect the "feel" - This is an important step.
After you've adjusted them you should be able to feel the slightest amount of freeplay.
Then put the spring back on and adjust the kicker decomp cable if required and lastly the manual decomp.
 
Print this out and keep it close to your tool box, I do.

Written by DalEO:

Read this all the way through before using this as a guide.

with the vlave covers off, the ignition cover off,the spark plug out, push the motor through several times watching the intake and exhaust valves open and close.

You will notice that when the intake valves open, the piston is going DOWN on the intake stroke. Then, as you keep pushing on the kick starter the motor will kind of fee wheel, the intake valves will snap shut, and you will hear a puff of air come out of the spark plug hole, this is the compression stroke. As you keep pushing the kick starter through, the piston is now going down on the power stroke, when the piston reaches the bottom and starts to come back up you will see the exhaust valves open and it will be coming back up on the exhaust stroke.

As the piston comes to the top again, you will see the exhaust valves close and the intakes will begin to open, this is top dead center where you DO NOT WANT TO ADJUST THE VALVES. This is known as overlap Top Dead Center.

As I said before, as you continue to push the kickstater through, the intakes will fully open, and as the piston approaches the bottom of the stroke, the intakes will begin to close, as I stated before the engine will free wheel a bit here. Now, put a LONG plastic ty wrap into the spark plug hole, and, using a 17mm end wrench, not a socket with a ratchet, on the nut that holds the flywheel on, continue to spin the engine in the direction it was going when you were pushing on the kickstarter. Watch the ty wrap as you turn the motor, you will see the piston pushing the ty wrap up out of the hole. Do this very slowly, and you will come to a point where the ty wrap no longer is moving up even though you are still turning the crankshaft, this the TDC or top dead center of the compression stroke, and THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO ADJUST THE VALVES.

NOTE: If you try and turn the motor backwards it will be very difficult because you will be engaging the starter sprag of the electric start, and you will be turning the electric start motor too. Just keep going in the direction that the kickstarter spins the motor, and come around again.

If you go past TDC, no problem, just keep turning the motor with your wrench and watch the ty wrap go down on the power stroke, up again on the exhaust stroke, down again on the intake stroke, and as you come up again you'll be on the power stroke. ( Keep a firm grip on the wrench at all times as I mentioned before the motor will want to free wheel a bit after the intake stroke and if you're not paying attention you could get your fingers pinched. It's not going to rip the wrench out of your hands, but, if you're not ready for it, it can surprise you. Voice of experience speaking here.) keep going till you get back close to TDC on the compression stroke, now just take your time and slowly turn the crank with your wrench and wait for the ty wrap to stop moving up. Wa-Lah! you're back at TDC on the compression stroke where you want to adjust the valves.

Look carefully at your flywheel and motor casings, on my 04, there is a red line that was obviously put there by hand at TDC at the factory, a mark on the cases, and another on the flywheel. If it's there, and you followed the above procedure, it will just give you some conformation that you have arrived at the correct spot. If the marks are there but are not lined up, and you would have to move the flywheel a bit to get them lined up, try doing so and keep an eye on the tywrap if you don't see it move any, don't worry, you're there. You could only see movement of the tywrap at this point if you had a dial indicator on it, trust me, you're close enough. If you really want to be sure, do as Dale Lineaweaver suggests, and get the locking bolt as described in the 2005 repair manual and insert it on the compression TDC as directed in the book. But, I don't think the bolt is necessary.

Now that you're there, check the amount of clearance first, you may not need to adjust the valves. When checking the clearance, be sure you push the feeler gauge back and forth parallel with the rocker arm shafts, or parallel with the crank shaft. Be careful with the feeler gauge, do not force it! It will break off and fall down into the rocker box and you will have to retrieve it with a small pencil (uh oh) shaped magnet. This has happened to me in the past, if it happens to you do not panic. And what ever you do, do not start the bike, or poor oil through the valve cover in an attempt to flush it out. You will not get away with this and You will be sad.

Loosen the lock nut of the valve to be adjusted and back it off a turn or so, turn the adjuster ( the screw with a slot in it for a screw driver) counter clockwise to increase the gap, and clock wise to decrease the gap. I usually just open up the gap so I can get my feeler gauge in there easier, and then gently turn the adjust down onto it. There should be noticable drag on the feeler gauge, but, not so tight you can barely move it. With the feeler gauge still in place snug up on the lock nut, and check the feel of the feeler gauge. If it has not changed, tighten the nut to the torque specified in the book, and check it again, if it's changed do it over and set a bit looser intially, if it doesn't change you're done with that one. You do not want to overtighten these nuts, as they will deform the adjuster nut threads, and it will be a ***** from then on when ever you want to adjust the valves. I'm not going to go into that now, just don't over tighten them. Get yourself a small torque wrench and use it, you'll be happier in the long run. (Again this is the voice of experience talking here)

Always allow plenty of time to do this procedure, turn off the phone,radio,tv, etc... don't do it in the company of others, do it all alone in a quiet place without any distractions. Don't rush!!

I hope this helps.

_________________
Dale "E" O!


From the original thread:

http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?n...sc&highlight=overlap+top+dead+center&start=60
 
Thanks for all the replies, pulled it apart today and got it at TDC with the little dots on flywheel lined up and on the correct stroke this time! :)

tried doing it with a feeler gauge but gave up and used the 1/6th method, all back together, bang started first time on the starter, sweet as a nut!

Cheers all!
 
if we carry on like this it could get boring round here!

what! no drama!!!!

well done mate

regards

Taffy
 
Sounds like we're heading towards another feeler vs turn method debate!!!!!

BTW - the turn method's better.
 
Big up the turn method!

If I had a single .12mm feeler gauge shaped at the right angle and wasn't using the different sizes type pack then perhaps it would work but they are way to bendy and awkward with the engine in place and I did it with the radiators still attached too as I can't be bothered to remove them! :)
 

Register CTA

Register on Husaberg Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.

Recent Discussions