2004 vs. 2005 FS650

thekneedragger

Joined Feb 2005

4 Posts | 0+

Helena, MT

Discussion Starter
• Mar 2, 2005

• #1

I have decided on the Husaberg 650 supermoto. There are a couple of new 2004 FS650E's and the 2005 FS650C's available. I have found very little on the differences, although it seems like there are some suspension and brake upgrades.

Does anyone know why no FS650E's (ones with the street trim) are available this year?

Also does anyone have more details on the differences and which one would you get?

Thanks for the advice....

 

J

JJW501

Joined Dec 2003

111 Posts | 0+

Australia

• Mar 2, 2005

• #2

i believe the stroke has been shortened, reducing capacity to 630cc on the 2005 models amongst other changes.......

but i'm not really an expert.

Have Fun
Jeff

 

Supermototeam

Joined Aug 2004

531 Posts | 0+

CA, USA

• Mar 2, 2005

• #3

thekneedragger said:

I have decided on the Husaberg 650 supermoto. There are a couple of new 2004 FS650E's and the 2005 FS650C's available. I have found very little on the differences, although it seems like there are some suspension and brake upgrades.....

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The suspension and front brake changes are pretty significant, but if you're not looking for a race bike, it won't make a diference, you're right.

Does anyone know why no FS650E's (ones with the street trim) are available this year?

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It's quite simple for your dealer to "make" you an "e" model.
I'm not really sure why we didn't bring any in, but the parts are interchangeable. So go for it

Who will you be buying the bike from, Menards ?

Best regards,

Brett Saunders

 

Gix

Joined Jan 2005

126 Posts | 0+

UK

• Mar 2, 2005

• #4

I opted for a new 04 over an 05, as the differences were not great enough to warrant the extra cash. I tested both (both e models) and my bike is a race bike. There are internal motor changes, but externally theres the obvious graphics, 5'' rear rim, exhaust, suspension and radial front brakes...although I always found the beringer 6 potters too much anyway....some people just HAVE to have to newest model though so I recommend testing both

 

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44014

Joined May 2004

303 Posts | 2+

BRISBANE

• Mar 3, 2005

• #5

im not sure but do not the 05 fs have an adjustable steering rake aswell
and this is my 2c if you have the money buy the 05 as plain and simple it will be newer for longer

cheers doug

 

ICE-BERG

Joined Jan 2002

87 Posts | 0+

Québec Canada

• Mar 3, 2005

• #6

What about the power output? (630cc vs 650cc)

 

thekneedragger

Joined Feb 2005

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Helena, MT

Discussion Starter
• Mar 3, 2005

• #7

Who will you be buying the bike from, Menards ?

Menards is the closest dealer to me in Montana and they are who I have been talking to. However, as always it will come down to price.

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The suspension and front brake changes are pretty significant, but if you're not looking for a race bike, it won't make a difference, you're right.

The bike is mainly for fun, but who wouldn't race when given the opportunity. My biggest concern is that my other bike is a 2002 Yamaha R1 and I'm used to performance with a capital P. So, I'm willing to dish out when it makes sense to do so.

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...2005 has the 5'' rear rim...

What is on the 2004 for rims then, I definitely want to be able to put a 160 rear tire on?

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....some people just HAVE to have to newest model though so I recommend testing both

Ride them, I wish. The dealer has to special order them, I don't even get to see them before I decide. That is why I'm soliciting advice from this site.

Thanks,
Latigo

 

Gix

Joined Jan 2005

126 Posts | 0+

UK

• Mar 3, 2005

• #8

The 04 has a 4.25 rear rim, I run 160, 165 and I've had a 170 on. I do have 2 spare sets of wheels, both with 5'' rears but I use the standards for running my wets as it gives me a better tyre profile and side contact patch.
As for the power output, using my sphincter dyno the was no real power difference in fact my 04 felt quite a bit livelier, then again it is kitted with a FP Ti pipe whereas the 05 was standard. The test was on a damp track, not allowing full throttle testing.
As pointed out...the 05 does have adjustable head angle.
I think the USA dealers are expecting a great deal of faith from you guys if they want you to shell out that amount of cash without trying it first.. I wouldnt do it

 

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mtree

Joined Feb 2003

47 Posts | 0+

USA

• Mar 3, 2005

• #9

I think the shortening of the stroke is a major difference. I bought an 04 recently since the price was right- I have about 40 miles on it (on sandy, icy, northeastern roads) and while so far I love it I have been afraid to wind it up since I know they did not shorten the stroke for no reason... Other manufacturers have opted for 630cc displacements as well even though the class is 650cc. The extra cash may be worth it as not to live in fear of the big bang-- hopefully I will get over it.

 

Gix

Joined Jan 2005

126 Posts | 0+

UK

• Mar 3, 2005

• #10

If I had one in trail/ enduro/ dirt trim I'd be afraid to open it fully too...not from fear of blowing though but just from standard fear...these are faaaaast. Mines a sm racer and theres no doubt in my mind, berg make the fastest straight from the crate motor in the open class. I've not heard anything about 04's blowing up the only problem I've heard about is the crank bearings collapsing and locking up due to excessive end float, this happens when the bike is on tickover. The Uk importer has a modification for this and mine was done before I picked up the bike

 

S

Supermoto_Husaberg

Joined Oct 2003

188 Posts | 0+

Hampshire, UK

• Mar 4, 2005

• #11

You should all stop worrying. The championship bikes are far from standard and rev higher and spend longer revving there.

Just open them up and enjoy :wink:

Lloyd

 

Gix

Joined Jan 2005

126 Posts | 0+

UK

• Mar 4, 2005

• #12

Lloyd..... I aint worried, mine gets fully opened up on regular occasions,but what I was saying about the end float has nothing to do with the championship bikes (in fact none of them did it...oops sorry Andy mitchells did)it was purely down to customer bikes and affected the 550 and 650 some had only a few hours on them. The DCR mod is a shim and a different crank bearing to take the end float out. As said earlier this happens when the bike is at tickover and throttle is blipped.
I feel more than confident in my motor holding up to a seasons abuse

 

M

mtree

Joined Feb 2003

47 Posts | 0+

USA

• Mar 5, 2005

• #13

Mine is an sm too, a replacement for my 501. To my knowledge there were quite a few bottom end failures for 650 motards (not just a Husaberg problem I might add in there defense)- an 82mm stroke single, hooked up on the tarmac, wound up exiting a corner is alot to ask for. If it were not an issue why shorten the stroke and reduce displacement??

 

B12Teuton

Joined Mar 2005

3 Posts | 0+

• Mar 9, 2005

• #14

mtree said:

If it were not an issue why shorten the stroke and reduce displacement??

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Maybe because a shorter stroke = lower piston speed = higher revs

 

JoeUSA

Joined Jun 2001

1K Posts | 0+

Pasadena Ca.

• Mar 9, 2005

• #15

mtree said:

If it were not an issue why shorten the stroke and reduce displacement??

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Its my understanding that the big end pin placement was so close to the outside diameter of the crank wheel that the crank assembly was not rigid enough to maintain alignment and was deflecting under the loads, causing misalignment of the crank to the main bearings occur. This was greatly exasperated in SM due higher (and sustained) rpm run relative to trail riding.

Of course, I could be wrong!

Joe

 

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mtree

Joined Feb 2003

47 Posts | 0+

USA

• Mar 9, 2005

• #16

Joe- are you saying that the journal was too far offset from centerline on the crank? I think that is what you mean by big end pin placement... It would seem that this would be more of an issue under high torque loads rather than sustained rpm- although I am usually wrong.

 

JoeUSA

Joined Jun 2001

1K Posts | 0+

Pasadena Ca.

• Mar 10, 2005

• #17

mtree said:

Joe- are you saying that the journal was too far offset from centerline on the crank? I think that is what you mean by big end pin placement... It would seem that this would be more of an issue under high torque loads rather than sustained rpm- although I am usually wrong.

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Yes thats what I mean! The amount of crank shaft material between the big end pin O.D. and the O.D. of the crank shaft wheel was inadequate, so they shifted the pin slightly closer to the crank centerline.

But isn't most Supermotard racing very near or above the torque peak of the 650, and sustained for the duration of the race (except for braking for turns)?

In trail riding speeds rarely exceed 30-40 mph, and may average 10-20 in technical riding. A 650 under those conditions may never rev over 4000 rpm and then only at partial throttle.

Other forms of off road racing come closer to the stresses of Supermotard but are limited by terrain and visibility.

Just my opinion! I could be wrong..

Joe