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08 450FE starter killing battery

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husa991

Joined Sep 2010
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West Virginia
I have 2008 450 FE and seems like every time I go riding I end up having to kick start it (which is a problem all to itself). I feel that the stator is not charging the battery as I ride. Is there a technique to using the electric starter that I am not aware of other than having the bike in neutral and pushing the magic button? Whats the typical life of a stock battery?

Also does anyone else foot seem to be bruised after a day of kick starting the 450, I have a 1996 Honda XR400 and I never had bruises on my foot from just starting it. The kick starter being on the left side does make it a little awkward even after two years of having to do it.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated
 
Do you have a fan fitted? If so, swap the thermo-switch for the later item that triggers at 100C.

Swap your rear light for an LED item.

Keep your bike on an Optimate when you're not using it. If you can get to Hertford UK, I'll GIVE you a 12 month old decent battery. Unfortunately you need to take the bike apart to fit it!

Run with your headlight switched ON. This seems contra to common sense, but I'm told the stator is more 'excited' and churns out more for the charging circuit.

Make sure that the mechanicals of your engine are tip-top so that the bike should start easily.

Greg
 
I usually have to do the first start on a kick but after that the battery is good enough. If you start and stop it a lot you are never going to have enough juice to hit the button and roll. I have trouble when I get stuck on a hilll doing single track after a start or two its all foot. it should kick pretty easy one-two kicks and I am not going to be condescending and give you any starting pointers unless you would like them. Seems to be the nature of the beast honestly unless it will NEVER start on the button.
 
I have the fan so I'll try puting a hotter thermo switch and see if that makes a difference and I will try running with the head light switch on. The bike seems to be running in top shape and I don't have a rear light so no need in swapping the light.

I went ahead and purchased a new battery since the old one was pushing two years so hopefully I wont have to worry about it much more. I was just concened that my stater may not be pushing enough amps or whatever it takes to recharge the battery duing a ride.

I think its the nature of the beast to be tough to kick start jsut need to get used to kicking with the left foot I guess. Growing up on a Honda will get you accostumed to using the right foot.
 
Hmmm...on my 08 450 I use the magic button all the time and no troubles what so ever. What I did find when I got the bike is that the valves needed adjusting and the idle mixture tweaked a bit but after I did that it's perfect :) Believe me I stop all the time to take a break, tip over from time to time, get lost on the trails and have to consult a map :lol:

If I had to kick it all the time I'd HATE it. Plus as a shorter gal I find kicking it over while off the bike works better for me. So I'd also check how the bike starts along with the charging circuit.
 
1) Your battery probably was toast after 2 years. You need to use a battery tender when the bike is not in use.
2) Have you properly adjusted your valves recently? The valves have to be spot on for the decompression device to work properly.
3) Just a tip. I like to pull in the manual decompression lever while hitting the start button just to get the motor spinning easily for a few revolutions, then release the decompression lever while it is still spinning. It takes a load off the battery and starter sprag.

What weight and type of motor oil are you running?
 
well it sounds like I need to adjust my valves and I figured the battery was pretty well shot. Small batteries typically don't make it to long. I got a new one in the mail today so we'll see how it works after I adjust the valves

I have been thinking about using the decompression lever while hitting the starter. It only makes sense that it would relieve some of the load off of the starter until the motor gets spinning.

I'm running Silkolene synthetic

thanks for all the help
 
We have a similar problem here in Australia soon as the original battery dies we cant get a decent replacement that will do the job, the genuine battery is way to expensive here at around $300 so i have tried other cheaper alternatives without success. My last chance is another non genuine Yuasa YTZ7s which sells at $180 ive just got 3 in stock and my bike is one of the test for them.
The other problem here is most of us run 650s so the battery has to be up to grade or they wont even spin the engine.
I did have a fair percentage of new bikes out here that had dead batteries when i pre delivered them out of the crate and were covered under warranty.

John ORANGEBERG
 
Hey John my brother runs a tiny pack of the new "ABC 123" cells in his hayabusa hillclimber, it cranks over sounding almost as angry as it idles and he can sit there starting it and turning it off till he get bored :twisted:

screw lead acid, they do cost a little more. will find out where to get them I miss the leccy start with the 700 and daren't go near it without riding boots on its near thrown me through the roof of the shed a couple times
 
bushmechanic said:
Hey John my brother runs a tiny pack of the new "ABC 123" cells in his hayabusa hillclimber, it cranks over sounding almost as angry as it idles and he can sit there starting it and turning it off till he get bored :twisted:

screw lead acid, they do cost a little more. will find out where to get them I miss the leccy start with the 700 and daren't go near it without riding boots on its near thrown me through the roof of the shed a couple times
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i just want a battery for the customer who wants to replace his battery and have it work properly in the bike without any major changes from what hes used to, just like when you go down the street and buy a battery for the family Commmomdore stationwagon. Then hit the key and it works, Magic.
I will take any info on other stuff for my bike.
John
 
they're A123 cells and are lithium iron phosphate. claimed not to explode like the lipoly ones

the killacycle electric drag bike uses them

like these ones http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/stor ... oduct=6444

I will check if thats the right size

nominal voltage 3.3 each cell charged to 3.6 puts it at 13.2 volts nominal and 14.4 charged so can slip in to the OEM charging system.

use 2 or 3 banks (in parallel) of 4 cells (in series) , 2 banks is plenty and will weigh about 600gm

somebody probably makes replacement drop in packs allready to go but I bet they cost a bit.
 
bushmechanic said:
nominal voltage 3.3 each cell charged to 3.6 puts it at 13.2 volts nominal and 14.4 charged so can slip in to the OEM charging system.
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Probably the great advantage of ABC123 as compared to Swing 4400 from Boston Power, which is picky on charging.
(Do not miss to check out the Boston Power CEO! http://www.google.se/images?q=lampe-önnerud well, I'm in love..)
I looked in to batterys when I thought the old fashioned lead acid marine battery for my trolling motor felt heavy, it is still the best for the € though.
 
this was the only video I found there... Is it it?
[youtube:35w498pd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsE8wa6O-_w[/youtube:35w498pd]
 
no theres a lovely 1/3 page height model who pops up and tells you to enter your phone number so they can call you free of charge,

it had a similar effect on me as the boston power CEO
 
The lovely 1/3 page height model who pops up and tells you to enter your phone number doesn't. Maybe there is a regional blockage of her? :(
 

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