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02 650 being difficult

Joined Nov 2016
32 Posts | 2+
Norway
Hi!

My Husaberg 650 02 model is starting to annoy me...

Off with the head, disassembled all the valves and cleaned everything. Grinded valves and seat, mounted it back together and filled the ports with liquid to make sure that there was no leak. Assembled the head togheter with new seals and a new head gasket. Torqued the head bolts first to 40nm then to 50. Mounted a brand new 08' camshaft with the better ADC and spring. New bearings and also new sprocket on the cam. New cam chain and a new modified tensioner blade.

Also got the stronger spring on the sprauge and shims on the starter clutch. A bigger and better Yamaha R1 starter motor. A rewinded Sem stator and new fuel valve on the Dellorto. All the parts in the carburator got a good session in the ultrasonic whasing machine to make all the parts look new and shiny. Adjusted the valves on the right tdc with the "1/6 turn" method. NGK dcpr8iex spark plug.

I can still not get it firing with the kickstarter, and I would say that it is still to much compression even with the better cam and adc. Tried to explore with the valve adjustment on the exhaust valves. In my eyes, the less clearence on the exhaust the more lift on the auto decomp.

And when using the electric starter the engine turns over maybe one time, then the sprauge starts to spin. Release the button and try again the same happend, one turnover and the sprauge starts slipping.

To make my day complete, when i changed new plugcap and wire to the coil, the little screw broke off holding the wire on inside the coil... Will try to solder on a new screw :/

Sorry for the very long post, but starting to lose my patient with this bike now. Would appreciate some more help from you to get this bike alive again.
 
Did you pretension the ADC spring (about 1/2 - 3/4 turn) so that it snaps back quickly when you extend and then release it? If it won't stay in place while the starter is spinning the motor it will not work.

What happens when you pull in the manual decomp and hit the starter?
 
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just some ideas....

firstly....wet or dry plug?
blue or orange spark?

try and start with your right leg on something up 100mm or so. hold on the front brake. no throttle.

throttle slide open 6mm.

was the stator about 0.5mm to the left of centre when you look through the sight hole?

If you still have the kickstart decomp it can be very confusing where TDC is.

the 08 cam requires a different PJ to the 53 cam. which PJ do you have and did you buy a carb kit from me or make it up yourself? if so what is your PJ?

have you the standard slide?

what is your real name?

regards

Taffy
 
Yes, did get the adc spring right i think. Watched Taffys video on youtube and i think it has the strength needed. I have concluded that the starter sprauge is bad, since it's slipping even when the manual decomp pulled in.

I have mounted the stronger sprauge spring but i noticed some small flat spots on the sprauge. Think its a bad piece of engineering everything by this sprauge starter clutch assembly... Is it possible to change or improve the assembly to something better and stronger?

Plug is wet, blue spark. But i noticed that you need to turn the engine over very fast to get a spark at all. I dont think i get that speed with the sparkplug in.

I did put in a new smaller pilot jet, think it was three or four mm smaller. Will check tomorrow. Will also check the ignition timing tomorrow and report back as fast as i can.

My real name is Andreas btw :)
 
Read the 01-03 Workshop Manual section 10B.

The transmission has been modified...............

I think that the 01 gear tooth profile caused too much drag on the engine to e-start properly. It was changed in 02 but some early 02's were still assembled with the 01 internals.

If you could find 03-08 parts that had the newer gear tooth profile along with a 2008 sprague and torque limiter it may help. I have never done this switch so I only speak from what I have read and not hands on experience.
 
Okey, thanks for answer :)

I wasn't really motivated to split the engine on this bike... Is it possible to know which gearbox it has looking at the engine serial number?
I will try to research and try to find out if i can put in a different type of starter clutch mechanism of som sort.
 
have you looked at the break away tension on the torque limiter gear that is the first gear driven by the starter? if it slips too early it will seem like a slipping sprague. takes practice to tell them apart.
...and if your new pilot jet is several mm smaller, it would be a negative hole;)
 
also, if you are kicking it correctly, and all jetting is right, it will start whether the adc works or not.
 
Thanks for answers!
Had a little time today so i checked the sprauge. It has some small flat spots on the rollers, and i have read on this site this will result in a slipping sprauge? I have the stronger spring mounted btw. And as you talk about the torque limiter, I have put washers in between and tested that its stronger than 45nm(?).

Plug is wet after a few kicks, no throttle and no choke. It has a nice blue spark but i cant really hear it ignite. And as you tell, it could properly be my kicking technique. Any good tips on that? Will go over my carburator tomorrow to see which jets that are in there, but i now it is a couple of sizes smaller than original.
 
kicking a 650 is not for the faint of heart. you just know it's gonna kick you back, but you can't let it smell your fear :p.

kickstand up. holding the comp release, when cold, kick it thru a couple times with choke, then push the choke nearly back in.
no throttle, no comp release, kick easily until the kicker hits a brick wall, pull comp release, kick gently about 2 inches past the wall, let go the c r, bring the kicker full up, and kick completely thru with authority (do not stab at it).
repeat as necessary, pushing the choke in if doesn't light after a couple kicks.
as taffy says, make sure the carb slide is resting at the right gap (6mm).
 

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