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700cc test report

Joined Mar 2005
250 Posts | 1+
West coast Sweden
We have just tested a set of 700cc, 105mm big bore kit from Ben Ballard.
The first impression, its a very nice kit, easy to install and part are manufactored with very good precision.
The first test at the racetrack, dry surface and +18dgr C.
Engine was equiped with Drilled carb to 43,5mm, dual exaust, 0.8 camshaft, modified inlet on cyl head, std valves, dual valve springs, inline air filter, gearing 15/42.

Powercurve is exelent, more like an electric motor, no powerbump in the full rpm range.
when we make the dyno run we might see a very straight curve.

We had jettingproblems due to larger volume and bigger flow in the carb, idle and 1/8 throttle was not perfect, we will on next test adjust this.
Handling was great, we had 80mm stroke, normally we ride with 82-85mm stroke, but with this small crank we had a felling of very little gyro effect.

Out on the long straight we outrun the Aprilias 550 on pure accelaration, good bottomend power and it pulled up to rev limit.
The bike stock produced approx 52RWHP, we estimate that we will get around 70RWHP in the dyno, it felt very strong.
Could ride a gear higher in the curves.

I belive that this kit with our bearing modification would last for some time, and it is well worth the money.

//Thomas
 

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Hello thomas,

I am very curiious for the Hp ?? Because I have also a 700cc kit.

I think other will be interested also for torque in Nm??

Greetings Madero
 
RWHP

madero said:
Hello thomas,

I am very curiious for the Hp ?? Because I have also a 700cc kit.

I think other will be interested also for torque in Nm??

Greetings Madero

Will come on the web when we have made a dyno run, later this year.

//Thomas
 
RE: RWHP

someone else tried that 43.8mm before thomas - one of your countryman. he also struggled to carburate it correctly....

good luck with that mate!

regards

Taffy
 
Re: RE: RWHP

Taffy said:
someone else tried that 43.8mm before thomas - one of your countryman. he also struggled to carburate it correctly....

good luck with that mate!

regards

Taffy

We have discussed this alot in the team and we have found a good jetting, specially when we now use a lambda probe. The carb is way to small for a std 644cc, its good for a 450cc engine. But when we increased the volume so much and still using 43mm+ carb bore, its sucks much more fuel thue the jets.
To jett the normal 644cc with the bigger carb is no problem at all.
We have it as a std ithem to drill all the carbs on bikes that is tuned in our shop.

Ben B have the same problem, carb is to smal, i´m waiting to see if he will test a 48-50mm carb.

//Thomas
 
RE: Re: RE: RWHP

thats why you have to jet down. i'm on a 145MJ.

you'll get there!
i bet they do a damn good mikuni for the harley! but the mikuni is a bloody nightmare to set up on the atomiser tubes.

regards

Taffy
 
Cheerio Lads!
I´ve been using a 50mm Lectron for quite some time now and I´m very happy with it. Once you´ve got it "jetted" it never needs adjusting to altitude or temperature, due to its strong fuel pickup signal. I have had problems with vibrations causing bubbles in the float bowl, but after installing a support that has never bit me again.

I´m thinking of trying out the 105mm kit, but I need lighter 40mm intake valves first. My 53gr stainless valves are floating at 8300rpm.
 
Taffy,

you advise to jet down when using an engine with a larger displacement, please can you explain this? Is this also a possibility in combination with a larger diameter of the exhaust pipe? I've heard similar from an other sidecar team that, when using a lambda probe to fix the carburetor, a smaller MJ was the result. The only modification was the larger exhaust pipe. I had to increase the MJ to have the engine running better but it was clearly too rich, very confusing. Now the exhaust is modified, smaller diameter at the first part, and I had to decrease the MJ size.

Regards,
Stephan
 
hi stephan

are you on a sidecar cross outfit?

i learnt when i was 20 in 1981 that if you change the exhaust (more open) or the inlet (less resistance) that the jetting goes up. after that it goes down as you port it, tune it, cams, compression, ignitions, etc etc. more air is going through the same hole so it must be going quicker!

the air speed goes up with the larger displacement or a higher state of tune. you can even say: as the BHP goes up if you like.

as the air speed goes up the signal across the atomiser gets stronger in an INCREASING ratio.

if you ever did air spray painting at school you'll recall that the paint came out in fat globules if you blew gently but if you blew hard it came out as a fine mist. the engine can't burn fat globules of fuel, it can only burn the fine mist. so the faster the air, the harder it pulls and the finer the mist that comes out.

you then reach a point where there is the restriction of any given engine and on the husaberg its the carb and the exhaust valve sizes. so because of this i would expect a 550/650 all to be jetted pretty much the same.

however, in another engine with bigger carbs and ports to suit a 650 more than a 550 i would expect to see a clear difference in jetting but always DOWN for the bigger engine.

jetting and exhaust systems are very difficult.

you should see that the carb and exhaust free the engine and therefore the surges of mixture that had become one continuous stream and required a lower jet has now been freed up and goes back to start, stop, start, stop. this means the jetting goes back up.

i can barely remember 1981-85 but my pantah went 142 to 158 with no air filter and a 2 into 1 exhaust. from then on for three seasons the jetting came down until i was on the smallest MJ that dell orto made. a 135MJ!!!!!

time for 41mm malossi's methought!!!

regards

Taffy
 
drillling carbs

hi all
would like to know what carb you have drilled a FCR or the delorto
i have taken my FCR 41 a part and there doesn't seam to be enough meat to drill it out to 43.5
any help ?
Cheers Matt
 
Re: drillling carbs

matt69 said:
hi all
would like to know what carb you have drilled a FCR or the delorto
i have taken my FCR 41 a part and there doesn't seam to be enough meat to drill it out to 43.5
any help ?
Cheers Matt

Kehin FCR41MX.
There is no problem at all to drill up to 43.8mm.
You have to just take it appart completly and put it in a turnleath, when there is no visible joint between the plastic inlet an the centerbody then you are near 43mm.
The center piece in the middle of the carb body, which is attached with 2 screws will not be round any more, there is not enough material, it will be a halfmoon shape. Remove this part before you start and then use a small grinder or rotating phile to remove material to the correct size you want on this part, if its attached to the body it will brake at approx 42mm and cause damage. This part is opposite the throttle and restricts the air flow if not drilled out to same diameter as the rest of the carb body.
We do not change the angle inside the carb body or on the plasic inlet.

One big restrictor is the filter system and the flow to the filter, as well as the turbilence created in the frame. Use a straight in line filter attached direct on the carb inlet.

//Thomas
 
picts off fcr 41 drilled

thanks man
that is very help full . would you happen to have a picture or 2 so i can see what t supposed to look like
cheers Matt
 
RE: picts off fcr 41 drilled

Hi Thomas,

Do you bore the carb offset or on centre?
What inline air cleaner do you use instead of the factory one?

Cheers spanner
 
Re: RE: picts off fcr 41 drilled

spanner said:
Hi Thomas,

Do you bore the carb offset or on centre?
What inline air cleaner do you use instead of the factory one?

Cheers spanner

Center bore, then there is a small angle in the casting and we keep the same angle.
We take away the std airfilter and then attach a foamfilter dirctly on the carb. The black angled rubber is not used.
Then we place a spunch in the frame to soak up the oil coming from crank ventilation.
There is a description in the 700cc thread how much we drill out.

//Thomas
 
RE: Re: RE: picts off fcr 41 drilled

Thomas,
The JBS big bore kits do they have a plated bore?

Cheres spanner
 
RE: Re: RE: picts off fcr 41 drilled

in regards to the carb, you can bore the carb larget than 43mm. The centre part that your talking about that you grind with a dremmel can be bought with the larger size. Ive done this on my atv and its awesome. Any of the large atv engine guys do it, like sparks racing, ct racing in cali, or www.nmotiontechnology.com. or do a search on yfzcentral.com.
 

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