kick sledge mod

ned37 · Jan 22, 2014

reminds me of the old comic book spy vs spy.
i'll say one thing bushie: you do a nice job documenting with the camera :cheers:

berger · Jan 22, 2014

Very nice work and documentation bushie. :cheers:

bushmechanic · Jan 22, 2014

ned37 said:
reminds me of the old comic book spy vs spy.
i'll say one thing bushie: you do a nice job documenting with the camera :cheers:

love that comic series .. but for me its all about helping people with technical stuff .. not about a VS anybody struggle which is where I think you and to some extent Berger continue to miss the point of my contribution to this site.

if buying aftermarket bits off ebay is not an option or you can't afford it then you need another alternative and since im in the same boat I'm always happy to help.

for example not everybody will think this "mod" is worth $40 vs 10 min with a file

you also have to wonder whats going motivationally on when the moderators answer a technical DIY question with " yes yes it is a diy mod but the details have been removed by the person selling and them we don't know how to do it anymore so just buy it off him"

Taffy · Jan 23, 2014

I don't think anyone has forgotten your attitude before you left, or the messages in your signature, or the constant shots at authority here.

then we have your avowed aim at destroying my business which you haven't recinded.

therefore with all the above info, this is about you undermining pretty much anything I do here. you're a nasty piece of work,

the atmosphere will never be right here again. a leopard doesn't change its spots.

just for the record I've helped hundreds and thousands of people here and even since you've been back. I don't even correct what you say for the sake of some piece on the site. you're not interested in the truth anymore, even if you ever were.

I realise things will deteriorate yet again now, but I feel that everyone here needs to know that your only intention is to phuq up my business and you even want to enrol others like the veterans and moderators that were involved the first time, to help you!

these are people I've met twice and message often. socially!

the site is wrecked. I spend my day just avoiding you and worrying about what you want to do next.

the new guy in charge has no idea what you're like...lucky you.

Taffy

Bluto · Jan 23, 2014

I have to agree with Taffy.
Your main goal is pissing of everything the man does, or has done.
Just let it be man!

huscan · Jan 23, 2014

Awsome catfight
I am on vintage leftkicker husqvarna site as well where this does not exist.
But this is very entertaining.

tourist · Jan 23, 2014

I really do believe that everyone is doing their best, and that we are all doing our best because we actually honest-to-god love Husabergs.

I think we should try to defuse the situation. Here's my share in that task:

The owner's doc wiki at one point had a picture of the sledge/crescent mod under here: http://husaberg.org/wiki/index.php?titl ... e_upgrades under "Taff's crescent mod". The picture is missing. Given that the part is for sale on EBay and the EBay listing has the picture smudged, I can understand that people become suspicious and/or annoyed that the picture is missing ...

BUT

I've been reading through the Owner's Doc wiki a lot during the past year or so. As most of you know, lots of pictures are missing there. Broken links. From my not-insignificant experience with computers and web servers especially, I am 100% firm in my belief that the missing images are in ALL CASES due to server trouble. The links to the images are still there, but the files they point to aren't there. The interesting part is that there's a web archival engine that has been running constantly for years: archive.org's Wayback Machine. This engine trawls the entire internet and saves websites for the noble mission of archival for the future. This engine has scraped and stored the entire owner's doc since 2010 or before.

What's interesting is that the archival engine saves a snapshot of the sites it crawls, so there is a timeline. The Husaberg owner's doc has different images randomly missing in successive crawls, which clearly indicates that there was web server trouble for a while. There is no method or pattern to what images drop out in each snapshot. It so happens that the web server was worked on and has stabilized - frozen in the last half-broken state - and it is pure coincidence that the kickstart crescent is missing from the doc as it stands now.

I'm actually looking at all three pictures of the kickstart sledge mod in an archive.org snapshot from 2010. Right now on my monitor. Around it, there are missing images - images that are not missing in the current site. I'm 100% confident that nobody went in there and broke the image links ... it was a malfunctioning web server setup all along.

My take on the smudged EBay pic: It makes sense to me that the EBay listing is smudged so rip-off artists trawling EBay for a quick buck can't bodge together a correct-looking kickstart sledge out of tin and plasticine and compete. I believe the intention was always to keep the pictures of the mod around on the website, where they are pretty well hidden from the world of EBay scammers. (Back when I was building/customising hi-fi amplifier kits, I saw the craziest Chinese ripoffs of popular designs. Looked similar-ish from a distance, but all the components were completely wrong - clearly made and marketed to participate in the churning world of EBay ********. That's not what Taffy is doing. At all. EBay is a strange network that spans the entire globe - it's a wild west, and I totally understand why people would employ countermeasures and camouflage. It's actually more protection for unwitting customers than sellers that sellers perform mild obfuscation of their goods.)

As I understand it, Taffy developed the mod originally himself and did the deed of manufacturing and testing. Not a trivial task. Then he himself put pictures and info on the owner's doc. Based on that premise, I feel that the smudged image on EBay is a healthy and normal part *of doing business on EBay*.

For some, the modified sledge is certainly worth $40 or whatever it costs - for peace of mind, for the support in getting it to work, for not having to learn and understand the trappings of the kick start.

The DIY discussion in this thread is also worth at least $40 ... but personally, with my still very limited mechanical knowledge, I'd probably go for the EBay kickstart crescent. Then once I have torn a 'Berg engine apart and understand everything, I'll come back to this thread, feel a little sad about the misunderstanding and frustration, and enjoy in fully and deeply understanding the mod and how it all fits together.

That's the story as I see it.

Here's to Husaberg! Long Live Husaberg. If not the marque, then the philosophy, the thrill, the ideas - and the community.

See you on the trails.

Kayeffess · Jan 23, 2014

tourist said:
I really do believe that everyone is doing their best, and that we are all doing our best because we actually honest-to-god love Husabergs.

I think we should try to defuse the situation. Here's my share in that task:

The owner's doc wiki at one point had a picture of the sledge/crescent mod under here: http://husaberg.org/wiki/index.php?titl ... e_upgrades under "Taff's crescent mod". The picture is missing. Given that the part is for sale on EBay and the EBay listing has the picture smudged, I can understand that people become suspicious and/or annoyed that the picture is missing ...

BUT

I've been reading through the Owner's Doc wiki a lot during the past year or so. As most of you know, lots of pictures are missing there. Broken links. From my not-insignificant experience with computers and web servers especially, I am 100% firm in my belief that the missing images are in ALL CASES due to server trouble. The links to the images are still there, but the files they point to aren't there. The interesting part is that there's a web archival engine that has been running constantly for years: archive.org's Wayback Machine. This engine trawls the entire internet and saves websites for the noble mission of archival for the future. This engine has scraped and stored the entire owner's doc since 2010 or before.

What's interesting is that the archival engine saves a snapshot of the sites it crawls, so there is a timeline. The Husaberg owner's doc has different images randomly missing in successive crawls, which clearly indicates that there was web server trouble for a while. There is no method or pattern to what images drop out in each snapshot. It so happens that the web server was worked on and has stabilized - frozen in the last half-broken state - and it is pure coincidence that the kickstart crescent is missing from the doc as it stands now.

I'm actually looking at all three pictures of the kickstart sledge mod in an archive.org snapshot from 2010. Right now on my monitor. Around it, there are missing images - images that are not missing in the current site. I'm 100% confident that nobody went in there and broke the image links ... it was a malfunctioning web server setup all along.

My take on the smudged EBay pic: It makes sense to me that the EBay listing is smudged so rip-off artists trawling EBay for a quick buck can't bodge together a correct-looking kickstart sledge out of tin and plasticine and compete. I believe the intention was always to keep the pictures of the mod around on the website, where they are pretty well hidden from the world of EBay scammers. (Back when I was building/customising hi-fi amplifier kits, I saw the craziest Chinese ripoffs of popular designs. Looked similar-ish from a distance, but all the components were completely wrong - clearly made and marketed to participate in the churning world of EBay ********. That's not what Taffy is doing. At all. EBay is a strange network that spans the entire globe - it's a wild west, and I totally understand why people would employ countermeasures and camouflage. It's actually more protection for unwitting customers than sellers that sellers perform mild obfuscation of their goods.)

As I understand it, Taffy developed the mod originally himself and did the deed of manufacturing and testing. Not a trivial task. Then he himself put pictures and info on the owner's doc. Based on that premise, I feel that the smudged image on EBay is a healthy and normal part *of doing business on EBay*.

For some, the modified sledge is certainly worth $40 or whatever it costs - for peace of mind, for the support in getting it to work, for not having to learn and understand the trappings of the kick start.

The DIY discussion in this thread is also worth at least $40 ... but personally, with my still very limited mechanical knowledge, I'd probably go for the EBay kickstart crescent. Then once I have torn a 'Berg engine apart and understand everything, I'll come back to this thread, feel a little sad about the misunderstanding and frustration, and enjoy in fully and deeply understanding the mod and how it all fits together.

That's the story as I see it.

Here's to Husaberg! Long Live Husaberg. If not the marque, then the philosophy, the thrill, the ideas - and the community.

See you on the trails.

Well, I'll chime in. I bought the sledge, for me, money well spent. I mess around and modify things on my bike but I choose what I want to do and what I don't. Sometimes you want to put your trust in someone else and not have to mess around removing and re installing things three or four times to get it right. This is a great site and there is lots of info available. I find that for all I read bushie and taffy are great sources of knowledge. I tend to look past the ongoing attacks on a vendor coming from the other side of the world. I do find it very childish though. Sometimes I wish a mod would delete some of this. I hope neither leave but I do understand a man protecting his business and getting frustrated by ongoing negative comments toward both his livelihood and character.

zaga · Jan 23, 2014

Hi

Tourist it's good to have a web specialist around here, all of us come from differt areas with different knowledges. I'm sure Taffy didn't delete any image from the docs ... He just doesn't have the computer knowledge to do it :mrgreen:

Anyway, can't you see the beauty of this !?! bushie wants to to teach us how to DIY everything and taffy wants to sell it to you

There should not be a problem for anyone, 90% of the guys that I know doesn't even have a file, they just want their bikes to start or to run well or something, so taffy's business should not have a problem ... And bushie can also continue to educate people here. :bounce3: :bounce3: :bounce3:

As long as everyone behave in a civilized maner all should run smoth

VOILA !!! IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ??????????

:cheers:
ZAGA

ORANGEBERG · Jan 24, 2014

ive got an early model in my work shop in now that needs this sledge treatment, i might make my own version and convert it to a 3 way battle of the maufacturers.
ORANGEBERG

zaga · Jan 24, 2014

You do that, but don't try to sell it .... or bushie will start shooting at you also :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

:cheers:
ZAGA

tourist · Jan 24, 2014

Here are the images from the Owner's Doc:

bushmechanic · Jan 24, 2014

ORANGEBERG said:
ive got an early model in my work shop in now that needs this sledge treatment, i might make my own version and convert it to a 3 way battle of the maufacturers.
ORANGEBERG

John you're off your kickstart sledge rocker mate. you sold me a bike that has taken up all my spare time for the last 6 years just trying to get it to run right

just for that now I'm going to try 100% to take your business down to the ground :lol: :lol: :lol:

Taffy just use your ignore list .. ive got you on mine now :idea:

anyone who thinks I'm "only" trying to destroy his business or piss him off has it wrong

If i wanted to harm his business or piss him off Id start my own .. just sell everything he sells at 1/2 the price.. not difficult.. run the business at a loss and have a heap of bike parts around at the same time.. less tax to pay.. more toys... all good.

but thats not what im about ... Im here to help people find alternative solutions .. I can't buy anything of Him ... what did you think I was going to do ? buy a yamaha and move to maljorca ? .....

now why would i think hed be being all sneaky with the pics? he didn't help at all when this question was asked and..... what about .. .valve springs that don't do what he claimed.... camchains that are not as light as he claims.. cams that failed ... big list ... cmon.. hes been pulling the wool over your eyes to his advantage for years.

tourist thanks for the pics! very nice!

FWIW there is a problem with this "mod" its really not that great an idea.. ill have to explain it with a pic though or somebodies will get annoyed

berglsmerg · Jan 24, 2014

zaga said:
Hi

Tourist it's good to have a web specialist around here, all of us come from differt areas with different knowledges. I'm sure Taffy didn't delete any image from the docs ... He just doesn't have the computer knowledge to do it :mrgreen:

Anyway, can't you see the beauty of this !?! bushie wants to to teach us how to DIY everything and taffy wants to sell it to you

There should not be a problem for anyone, 90% of the guys that I know doesn't even have a file, they just want their bikes to start or to run well or something, so taffy's business should not have a problem ... And bushie can also continue to educate people here. :bounce3: :bounce3: :bounce3:

As long as everyone behave in a civilized maner all should run smoth

VOILA !!! IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ??????????

:cheers:
ZAGA

And you've hit the nail on the head zaga.

I have to agree with bushie though, I think that having his real world product evaluations censored is not right. I could provide some eBay uk product evaluations but no one would give a ****, the difference with bushie is he has the chops to back it up.

bushmechanic · Jan 24, 2014

zaga said:
Hi

Tourist it's good to have a web specialist around here, all of us come from differt areas with different knowledges. I'm sure Taffy didn't delete any image from the docs ... He just doesn't have the computer knowledge to do it :mrgreen:

Anyway, can't you see the beauty of this !?! bushie wants to to teach us how to DIY everything and taffy wants to sell it to you

There should not be a problem for anyone, 90% of the guys that I know doesn't even have a file, they just want their bikes to start or to run well or something, so taffy's business should not have a problem ... And bushie can also continue to educate people here. :bounce3: :bounce3: :bounce3:

As long as everyone behave in a civilized maner all should run smoth

VOILA !!! IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ??????????

:cheers:
ZAGA

3 times for impact!

this bloke Is onto it... 100% my take on things as well Zaga

the people who read anymore into the postings on this site than what you have eloquently described above need to change their Meds or watch some daytime TV for entertainment.

zaga · Jan 24, 2014

Hey ZEN, you should hire tourist to put the owners docs running again

:cheers:

huscan · Jan 24, 2014

There is lots of great stuff on this website but I think that some of the modifications on this site would not really be all that beneficial.
Even the epic over the top modifications by Lineweaver, Bushmechanic and Dr C that I like to read about would not be beneficial for the average owner if he cracked his crankcases every 5 hours.
As far as I know my 1995 fe501 is stock except for an fcr keihin carb (and I only installed that because I got one cheaper than the new parts required for the dellorto would have been) and an awsome electrex stator. The only thing I would like is about 2 pounds added to the flywheel for tight trails.
I am not religious but we should all kneel down and pray to the original husaberg engineers that used to work at husqvarna ( I own a few early 1980's swedish husqvarna's that are also extremely good bikes).

birdwoodburg · Jan 24, 2014

I think Taffy is upset due to the Poms not winning a game of cricket this year (none) lmao opps they wow a game last night he will now be a happpy man now even if most of our regular players took some time off after winning the series.

bushmechanic · Jan 24, 2014

huscan said:
There is lots of great stuff on this website but I think that some of the modifications on this site would not really be all that beneficial.
Even the epic over the top modifications by Lineweaver, Bushmechanic and Dr C that I like to read about would not be beneficial for the average owner if he cracked his crankcases every 5 hours.
As far as I know my 1995 fe501 is stock except for an fcr keihin carb (and I only installed that because I got one cheaper than the new parts required for the dellorto would have been) and an awsome electrex stator. The only thing I would like is about 2 pounds added to the flywheel for tight trails.
I am not religious but we should all kneel down and pray to the original husaberg engineers that used to work at husqvarna ( I own a few early 1980's swedish husqvarna's that are also extremely good bikes).

I agree with this 100% Huscan, the stock 08 bike that Orangeberg sold me was a truly amazing machine bone stock. testimony to the result of the husaberg engineers efforts. and after trying a "few" mods and buying a bit of stuff I see very little value in a lot of aftermarket products or "mods" .. most of which as you point out are not needed at all. we do it however because it is interesting.

the people who find me childish have a point (its intentional most of the time.. that's just me) but you all should consider what would have happened if I had not responded to this thread in the way i did..

it would have slipped off the front page after a week with no really helpful answer.... is that really the kind of site you want to be a part of?

instead we get to recover a missing part of the doc and learn about an interesting mod ... Taffys business is not harmed at all... more people will buy his mod after knowing how it works and if someone wants to DIY they can do that as well.

the thread could do without the politics though but that would leave only 2 posts .. the ones with pics.. mine and tourists.. so if the mods have a problem with the content here and want to delete the political rubbish (from everyone them included) and the usual insults from our vendor that would be fine with me.

berglsmerg · Jan 24, 2014

birdwoodburg said:
I think Taffy is upset due to the Poms not winning a game of cricket this year (none) lmao opps they wow a game last night he will now be a happpy man now even if most of our regular players took some time off after winning the series.

:lol: :lol: nice one.

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