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jzfe

jzfe

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After reading something from Pollo about the trans on his 650, I have some questions. How much pavement time on a 2008 Fe(old school :roll: ) accessing trails would be considered "too much" with out a cush hub? It seems fine, but I wonder what others have experienced. Maybe 15(?) percent of my riding is on pavement.

jz
 
Well jzfe,
I had been doing around 20% pavement of the 117 hrs when the tranny went bang. I was told by some that it was
a bit excessive without having the cush hub. Besides that, I had more than a few dreaded miss-shifts.
And I was also guilty of pulling up the wheel from time to time on pavement which wouldn't have helped the
situation. If only I knew what was about to happen then I would have kept it on dirt more and in gear.
I think you are probably fine with 15% and being a little more nimble while there will help.
I will be using it from now on no more that 10% of the time on pavement if that. And a bit more careful.
I have a couple of dirt rides since it's been repaired and its good to kick up some dirt again though.

Pollo
 
I have an FS650c, no cush hub and all I do is ride it on the pavement. Should I expect the same gearbox woes? Aren't supermotos geared more for the pavement?

Adam
 
no problem with a dirt bike. the knobblies are your cushion.

gerronwirrit.

regards

Taffy
 
atomxii said:
I have an FS650c, no cush hub and all I do is ride it on the pavement. Should I expect the same gearbox woes? Aren't supermotos geared more for the pavement?

Adam
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Your bike did not come with a cush drive hub? I had thought that most if not all the FS's came with a cush drive hub.

Dale
 
Dale,
I think the FS650"e" comes with a cush hub but the FS650"c" does not.

Adam
 
atomxii said:
Dale,
I think the FS650"e" comes with a cush hub but the FS650"c" does not.

Adam
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Starting in 2005 the FSc started coming with a non dampened rear hub, but in the years prior to that the FSc came with a dampened hub.

FWIW- the older LC4's came with a dampened hub.

I believe that the FSe was intended to be a street legal bike, lights horn etc... Where as the FSc was intended as the straight out racer, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Either way ride at your own risk to your transmission without a dampened hub on tarmac for everyday riding. The transmissions in these bikes are not designed to be ridden on asphalt without a dampened hub. There are many instances of broken transmission gears caused by riding on the street. I guarantee you that a rear cush drive hub is going to be a lot cheaper than a transmission and set of center cases.

It's also interesting to note that the 2010 FS 570 comes with a dampened hub.
 
It might be interesting to note that my mechanic said basically the same thing as Taffy.
That he thought the knobbies didn't grip as much for street use.
Even though I am the one that had the busted gears I do highly regard Taffy's as well as my own
mechanics opinions.
It would therefore seem obvious that the impact on the transmision would be greater with the smooth
motard wheels as opposed to knobbies.
And with my case, there may have been a number of factors involved with my transmision problems.
Street use was a little too large.
I wasn't excactly as easy on the throttle as I probably should have been while on street.
I was pulling the wheel up on street.
I had several miss shifts. (off road).

So, I do think a little diferent now because of the amount of money it took to fix it and down time.
I will be a cruiser on street when I am there which won't nearly be as often.

Pollo
 
does anyone know if a 99 fe501 with really knobby needs a upgrade to ride on pavement?
 
fe501 said:
does anyone know if a 99 fe501 with really knobby needs a upgrade to ride on pavement?
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your taking a bigger risk with an older bike. your riding style will be a major factor, if you wheelie and lock up the rear wheel as you 'back it in' you know where your going.... you'll even start to get a warning that the box is going with lots of accidental neutrals.

with the above you now know what can happen, whether it will is difficult to say, with steady use I'd say it can cope.

regards

taffy
 
I was under the impression that gearboxes on these bike were bullit proof.
How do other manufactures cope with tarmac, do they have the same issues?
 
I think they mostly are quite honestly. for 90% it is, for the 10% that have a problem there are 90% those that have the selector post come loose or the selector fork binds leading to gearbox problems.

an actual gearbox problem per se is nearly non-existant.

remember, nobody here is going to blame their own poor mechanical skills. it will always be the bikes fault....

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
fe501 said:
does anyone know if a 99 fe501 with really knobby needs a upgrade to ride on pavement?
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your taking a bigger risk with an older bike. your riding style will be a major factor, if you wheelie and lock up the rear wheel as you 'back it in' you know where your going.... you'll even start to get a warning that the box is going with lots of accidental neutrals.

with the above you now know what can happen, whether it will is difficult to say, with steady use I'd say it can cope.

regards

taffy
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Thanks for the response taffy you really know your stuff, so do you think changing my tires from knobbys to drz style street enduro tires will help eliminate vibrations which would help the tranny stay safe?
 
I think what he was saying fe501, was that the knobbies are better for your condition in that they act as
a cushion. Less grip equals less impact on the box.

pollo
 

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