synthetic / non synthetic crap or true

This one is maybe more directed at people who have built race motors or motors in general,,,maybe dale!

I have now met a rep from bel-ray and motul,
I asked the following questions,

#1, Q. Should i use a Synthetic or Semi synthetic in my Husaberg
A. Yes full sythetic ! , it offers greater protection!

#2 Q. have you got any proof that your synthetic will give me better protection? than semi
A . No!

#3 Q. Why not?
A. Just dont !

And they all follow it with something like 'our oils are better than any'

Im sure that im not the only one who can never get a straight answer about OILS,I find it very complicated.
I even did a small course on oils when i was doing my trade and they couldnt even tell me why its better ,.

maybe some one can put an end to this for me as i am going crazy about what oil to use .

STRESSED


:evil:

Hi cwalkin,
There are many that have a strong feeling about certain brands and types of oils and can back them up with strong testimonials.No question there are many very good oils available to use in your husaberg,but what may be most important is that you use the correct grade and quantity of oil and change it often.What brand and type you use may not be as important as how easy it is for you to get your choice when you need it. Do not stress over it...

Facts are facts.

I have tested many oils under true racing conditions. To date I have yet to encounter an oil that has proven to provide better protection then that of DELO 400.

The primary advantages of a synthetic oil are improved "very high temperature" protection, extended oil life and very low temperature pour points. (ie Arctic climates)

Very high temperatures = air cooled race engines with head temperatures exceeding 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

Simply walking the walk after all the talk.

Dale

+1 on the Chevron Delo400.

Available in the one gallon jugs at most automotive parts shops and the price is right.

*****

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Has anybody used Delo 400 in there bike since new? if so what was engine life like?

I had been reading on this site all about delo 400 and especially with Dales recommendation and i purchased some delo 400, Its still in my garage unopened.
I havnt been able to convince myself to use it!
Its the multigrade 15w-40 .
Is this a semi-synthetic? (ISOSYN)

Here in Australia it costs me $35.00 au

what change intervals you recommend?

I pay $35 US for 24 quarts (6 one gallon bottles) at Cosco. I use it in my 00 and 04 Husaberg.

I change my oil hot immediately after shutting the engine off after each days ride, which is usually 65-110 miles.



On my 00 FE 501E I used Mobil 1 products for the first 82 hours, (1884 miles) and then changed to Delo 40 15W-40.

At 272 hours, the engine case cracked at the swing arm pivot. I had a local dealer disassemble the engine and fix the crack. At that time everything was found to be in near perfect condition.

On the first ride after getting the engine back a transmission bearing failed due to too much axial preload, caused by the shop that had just welded up a crack in my case. They had stripped the engine to fix the crack and had to resurface the case half to correct a warp caused by the welding. The resurfacing removed enough material to cause the transmission mainshaft to be highly preloaded and they did not notice it, so it broke on the first ride!

Debris from the bearing retainer had wedged the reed valve open, allowing debris to circulate into the complete engine, I had to replace every bearing, the piston. So while it was down, I installed a rod kit in it just to make sure.

At 347 hours, 9677 miles, an intake valve spring broke. I replaced the valve, guide and all valve springs, the bent intake rocker arm, cam chain cam bearings, valve adjust screw.

The 04 550 has been run on Delo from new, and has 70 hours, 1900 hours on it with no problems.

Regards,

Joe

Joe,
What was the cause of the case cracking? Frame flex?


I have about 250hrs/4500 mi on an engine running on Delo or Rotella, and everything looks fine in it so far. I am splitting the case this weekend, so I will be able to know better then. So far I have only noticed some black sludge deposits, and that is it.

Brendan said:

Joe,
What was the cause of the case cracking? Frame flex?


I have about 250hrs/4500 mi on an engine running on Delo or Rotella, and everything looks fine in it so far. I am splitting the case this weekend, so I will be able to know better then. So far I have only noticed some black sludge deposits, and that is it.

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I don't know, I had always torqued the pivot bolt to the correct value (92 ft lb). I just noticed a weep on the engine and it was a crack! Maybe I hit some whoops too hard...There are some pictures of the crack on page 5 of my gallery. Several of the 00 and 01 Bergs had case cracks like I did!

No sludge in mine because I change my oil HOT after riding for the day. There was a small amount of gooey soot in the center of the top of my piston that wiped right off. I love that Delo, good stuff.

I would recommend that anybody that splits the cases with 200+ hours replace the ball bearings in the transmission, the cam bearings, cam follower bearings, cam sprocket with the 05 model, cam chain with Dale Lineaweaver's or the DID, and valve springs as a minimum. I will replace my OEM valve springs on my 04 550 at 200 hours with Dale Lineaweaver's Titanium springs. I am not the 1st one to have valve springs break.

If you are spliting a 01 or later Berg, I would also upgrade or replace the counter balancer bearings, update the timing chain tensioner slider to the 05 model.

I had Dale Lineaweaver remove my counter balancer and rebalance the crank/piston assembly on my 04 before I even rode it!

Regards,

Joe

Brendan please let us Know what your engine internals are like.

Thats some good milage on the delo/rotella,,,starting to wonder,
what weigh is the best in delo/rotella,
cause the oil i use is 15w-50 and if i use the 10w-40 the engine seems loud.

I've looked into the Delo 400.......its described as a multigrade diesel engine oil??? is this the oil. Badged by Caltex in Australia. No wonder old mate is scared to use it. Is this the right stuff, cause the price is right.

bergersteve said:

I've looked into the Delo 400.......its described as a multigrade diesel engine oil??? is this the oil. Badged by Caltex in Australia. No wonder old mate is scared to use it. Is this the right stuff, cause the price is right.

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Yes, thats it, 15W-40.

Regards,

Joe

I would like to add my two pence worth on this synthetic-vs-petroleum oil issue. Years ago, I called 1-800-askmobil, as advertised on the oil bottles they sell, and inquired about the then new Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Mobil sent me a large manila envelope filled with relevant data concerning testing of various oils. The most interesting to me was a series of tests done with General Motors, running engines on computer controlled dynos using synthetic and non-synthetic oils. Engines were torn down after so many "miles", as determined by the computer, and all wear related parts measured. The synthetic oils performed to such a higher degree that GM mandated Mobil 1 in all of it's high performance engines (the Vette, SS454 truck, etc) as a warranty requirement. I would like to know from Shell, for instance, if they have data concerning Rotella T-vs-Rotella T Synthetic, to tell me if the price difference is worthwhile. At Wal Mart, Rotella T is $8.59/Gal, Rotella T Synthetic is $15.39. Even the synthetic is less than Mobil 1 in price. I have run Mobil 1 in everything I own for years, and am in the process of switching to Rotella T synthetic. So does anyone know if Delo 400, or Rotella T, perform as well as the similar branded synthetics? Thanks, Buzzard

Hi Buzzard,
What you described with regard to GM testing is what I once did for a living. I worked for Chevron Research in Richmond, Ca. :lol:

What I find funny is Chevron once did a commercial on site featuring technicians in action. However, when it came time to "pitch" the product we had stand in actors.

Most brochures remind of said commercial.

Sincerely,
Dale

I have e-mailed Shell Oil with my questions, specifically asking for performance data for, and differences between, Rotella T and Rotella T Synthetic. I'll let you know when I know. Buzzard

LINEAWEAVER said:

What I find funny is Chevron once did a commercial on site featuring technicians in action. However, when it came time to "pitch" the product we had stand in actors.

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That probably has more to do with the look of the heads on the technicians! :lol:

BundyBear said:

LINEAWEAVER said:

What I find funny is Chevron once did a commercial on site featuring technicians in action. However, when it came time to "pitch" the product we had stand in actors.

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That probably has more to do with the look of the heads on the technicians! :lol:

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Hi BundyBear,

Such does indeed have much to do with being an attractive actor "capable of convincing Joe average of most anything".

Husaberg has their version as do most successful "Low Volume" manufacturers.

The commercial backfired for Chevron as their demographic target did not take kindly to Mr. Cutie and his line of BS.

Do you believe cars can talk? maybe Lightning McQueen shall be the next great oil spokes car. (Pun intended. Spokes Car as opposed to Sports Car. Get it?) :lol:

Dale

But Dale, everybody knows Lightning McQueen has MAG wheels! (how can it be a "spokes" car?)
-Rocky-

RockyMt said:

But Dale, everybody knows Lightning McQueen has MAG wheels! (how can it be a "spokes" car?)
-Rocky-

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:lol: LOL!