swarf at oil, how many is ok.

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wotan23

wotan23

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Hi Guys,

I am riding on 480'er Berg build in 2001. When i am changing the oil, i see some swarf at oil. May be 10 greater one and a bit of metal dust, and unfortunately a bit of sealant, too.

I am a bit afraid about this. because last year i got an damaged connecting rod, in my opinion it was the sealant which was plugged at the oil channel of crank shaft.

I striped it down and learned a lot about the motor, for example that you really have to apply sparingly the sealant. Now it is running as before after a half year of repairing. After repairing i was drivin two times and may 4 hours, now.

Because of this i got two questions:
1. How many swarf are ok at motor oil?
2. How do you make your sure that no sealant get into the motor? (a picture will be awesome)
 
wotan

you just need to watch the oil line from the barrel to the head and use the sealant carefully and sparingly. the oil filter and the 'tampon' filter can deal with the sealant when it comes around again but NOT if it sits in the oil gallery.

check the swarf for magnetism. is it aluminium or is it frerrous or non-ferrous? (brass v steel etc etc).

let us know. also, where are you from?

regards

Taffy
 
As long as the particles are very fine and aluminum, they would be considered normal for an 01 as its mostly the cam chain sawing through the cylinder. You can update the cam chain tensioner components as described in "the doc" to help alliviate the issue.

Changing the oil after every ride is a good idea.

There is a huge difference in the particulate matter found in the oil of a 2001 compared to a 2005. I have both models and could not believe how clean the oil comming out of the 05 is.
 
Thank you for answering.

in my opinion the swarf was aluminium,
but i have to check the magnetism next weekend.

Taffy, do you got absolute "no" sealant at oil after using sealant?

I think i should check the cylinder, may i have really to update the cam chain tensioner components.

And i am from north germany. But i would like to say south sweden, because the island i am living on was a few times a part of sweden in the last 200 years :).

bye
 
i find sealant in my oil after work wotan. yes!

maybe i've been lucky but i ynderstand that i MUST keep oil from entering the oil feed up to the head.

maybe you do too now!

regards

Taffy
 
Hello,

here is the result of my swarf problem.
It was a bit like husabutt told.

The cam chain is to long,
because of this the chain tensioner push it to the cool channel at motor.

I will replace the chain and hope it helps.

Wotan23
 
Swarf?
Svinghulliten.jpg
 
nsman said:
take that one apart
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its metal from your mainbearings they have failed, you need to split the motor and replace them before the metal scores the bore and piston (may have already) dont use the original bearings they are weak and it will happen again.
 
If it's aluminum, then save yourself a lot of money and replace the cam chain(and tensioner, if needed) as opposed to completely tearing down the engine. If your metal problem persists, then you'll need to look further along the food chain :)

I'm sure ORANGEBERG also sells those parts ;) :roll:

thanks,
json
 
my guess is it is not Aluminum, as it is stuck to the magnetic plug... bearings are my guess :(


Edit: duh i just noticed that the oil plug picture was from vegard, not wotan.

Vegard, you have a problem there...
 
risky1 said:
my guess is it is not Aluminum, as it is stuck to the magnetic plug... bearings are my guess :(


Edit: duh i just noticed that the oil plug picture was from vegard, not wotan.

Vegard, you have a problem there...
Click to expand...

Holy cow, just saw vegards pic... you sir, have an exorbitant amount of metal. You have so much metal, that you could provide others metal for their drain plugs and still have too much metal.

Wow, that's a lot of metal.

thanks,
json
 
I'm a bit worried now I see vegards picture and your comments.

I'have 550 '05 husa and from brand new I always had swarf some a little bit sometimes even more than vegard.

I told my dealer about it and he told me not to worrie.

When they changed the gearbox from 4 speed to 6 speed they looked at it and nothing was found. They told it was normal for Husa or KTM and say its from the sprockets in the gearbox. They also told it could happen when you had a wrong schift.

What is your oppinion on this?

I have no problems what so ever whit my bike it runs perfect just like a new one.


husaracer
 
where you from husaracer? please put your bike and location in your signature?

ok, it's no longer normal to see this problem. does all this end up on your oil drain magnet?

i think most here would say that if you have ferrous metal you have a big problem and must rebuild. main bearings are your most likely problem because we have had a run on 550s and they were from '05!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i believbe i said this in the doc under chapter 1?

tell us more and we'll try and help.

regards

Taffy
 
One thing is sure its metal but I must agree whit my dealer I dont think its from a bearings it seems to be to soft for that.
I had so much of it now if it was a Main I must had an engine failure by now.

But you think my dealer is not right by saying its normal for a Huasaberg?

Husaracer
 
well i don't know what you mean by a lot. it is in the eye of the beholder as we would say. i guess if you are going to keep riding it. so report back as soon as you get a different noise ok?

regards

Taffy
 

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