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Hey Guys...(Gals?)

I just bought a 97 FE 501 E. Rode it once about 40mi and seems like it will be a fun bike. I took it in to the local shop (Eric's in Pasadena) for a tune-up / going through. I was just wondering if the board could give me any heads-up on the bike. I bought it as a replacement for a 91 DR650 that was totalled in a car accident.( I wasn't riding it at the time)

Thanks in advance...
Marc
 
wonderful bike, a lot better than those heavy old dr's
i have a 94/95 501 and i would'nt trade it for any off road jap bike.even though i struggle to get bits for it ,
but i enjoy the challenge.

regards

scrap
 
For starters change the oil after every ride or every couple of rides and keep the battery plugged into a good five step charger when not in use.

Since you will be changing the oil more frequently you may want to go to Walmart an pick up a half gallon of Delo 400 as it is a cost effective alternative to $10.00 a quart synthetics.

http://www.chevron.com/products/ourfuels/prodserv/motoroils/delo.aspx


Additionally read all of this stuff. Don't skip a page as there will be a test:

http://www.husaberg.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
 
Thanks for the info Guys...
Bad news from the shop...1)Carb body is toast...$700 2) And it seems the Tech told me all but that the entire engine is gonna pop any second...3) Tech says that it would better to try to recover some of my $1300 I paid for it by parting it out... than spend any money fixing it...

Any Ideas.... :0( Can I weld a Jap engine into it?...
 
you can put a jap carb on it there are plenty of people on here with all the info you need , what is the problem with the engine?

it can't be entirely toast.and the main thing is that it still runs, so it won't be that bad.

stick with it ,once you've fixed it ,you wont want to part with it.

regards

scrap
 
anastame said:
Thanks for the info Guys...
Bad news from the shop...1)Carb body is toast...$700 2) And it seems the Tech told me all but that the entire engine is gonna pop any second...3) Tech says that it would better to try to recover some of my $1300 I paid for it by parting it out... than spend any money fixing it...

Any Ideas.... :0( Can I weld a Jap engine into it?...

If the entire engine is toast, then Brett's comment has lots of merit, but if you want a replacement carb, you might make an offer on the Dellorto in this Ebay link. The guy has a $99' Buy Now' listing and a 'Make Offer' tab if you want to make an offer. Your old one and the Ebay one are both PMH 40 models.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Husaberg ... enameZWDVW

If the rest of the bike is in good shape, you might look for a good used engine.

Some of the guys here have gone that route and may step up and give you details.

Let us know how you do!

Regards,

Joe
 
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anastame said:
Thanks for the info Guys...
Bad news from the shop...1)Carb body is toast...$700 2) And it seems the Tech told me all but that the entire engine is gonna pop any second...3) Tech says that it would better to try to recover some of my $1300 I paid for it by parting it out... than spend any money fixing it...

Any Ideas.... :0( Can I weld a Jap engine into it?...

This sounds kind of like my story when I bought my first berg back in 96. The carb slide was shot, as well as a bunch of engine components. I spent $2200 rebuilding the motor and the carb, and I believe some more on the suspension. However, when I was done I had a fine machine.

It's too bad that someone sold you a bike that was in such need of attention. Karma's not friendly to those who knowingly do this sort of thing.

Brett, the tech with the glasses at Eric's really knows his stuff.

I'm sure that if you had Brett rebuild the bike it would be in good shape. However, the bike is now 11 years old and has obviously been ridden quite a bit. You might consider his advice and try and part it out, or try and get your money back from the person who sold it to you.

If you don't want to spend the money on a new bike, or fixing up this one, you might have a look at that used 04 450 Eric's has for sale out front. The plastic is a little beat, but, I think it's only got like 24 hours on it. You might ask Brett his opinion on that bike. In fact it might still have the original tires on it, but, I'm not sure.
 
i suppose looking at it from my point of veiw being in the trade , i would repair it , but if you are not clued up ,from your point of veiw and you had to pay big bills to get it repaired ?
then yes looking at it from your side i would get rid and put the money you would have spent on it to a later berg.

regards

scrap
 
Hey Guys thanks for all the imput...
It's really my fault...I should have researched a little deeper. It's just I saw all that suspension...and knew it only weighed 250lbs. I took it on a little 25-30 mile ride and it made me feel like I was riding on clouds compared to the DR650. So I bought it...I just didn't realize how much I would need to spend to make it reliable. I'm told around 3K to get it up to snuff. I'm told crank bearing casing is in the oil...Carb body shot...Rt fork seal gone...I was willing to spend another $1000 or so...but 3K??? Shoot...If I had the cash I'd probably do it! I'm already in love with it...
Question:
I not a complete mechanical *****...not a pro either...Can I get the parts for a $1000 and turn the wrenches myself? Or...Is this strictly professional area?
 
depending on what you find?,

i was offered a conrod boss(member) has these in stock, then you will need a full set of bearings and some gaskets,

check out the head for cam,cam followers,and valve guide ware,

the timing chain is just a 3/8 by 3/16 British standard item , most jap car engines are the same pitch ,so that bit wont break the bank

hopefully your piston and barrel will be ok, you would be better off talking to boss,
i am in the uk and parts are probably cheaper where you live.

but i think you could just about manage it if the engine is'nt too bad.

regards

scrap
 
More Help Please....

Anyone know if a 2002 501 engine will bolt into my 1997???

Thanks for letting me pick your brains...

Marc
 
there was a bit of a heated discussion on this subject before , i know the engine casings will go into the gap (i tried this when i had a friends engine in bits) whether you will have to make some front mounting brackets up ,and whether the swing arm pin size is different ?, i am not sure of this, the cdi is also different.

but i would not of thought there will be major differences , it will certainly be easier than bolting a jap lump into the frame.

regards

scrap
 
Well...I've started down the slippery slope...

Went ahead and got the following: $70US (Per JoeUSA)

The guy has a $99' Buy Now' listing and a 'Make Offer' tab if you want to make an offer. Your old one and the Ebay one are both PMH 40 models.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Husaberg ... enameZWDVW

Any suggestions on doing the switch???
 
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anastame, check out my gallery. i bought a 99 fe400e for $500 2 years ago just as you see the bike in the pics. not sure why the case was split but it had a fatal timing chain failure. long story short, the guy that was fixxing it went bankrupt. just from what you described the amount you were quoted seems like alot of money. It cost me $400 to get running mostly labor as I was lucky, new timing chain sprockets and chain were already bought. I am not sure myself but have heard new timing chain and sprokets were around $600. bearings I have no idea. might as well do both fork seals while she is down. Most likely the majority of the cost is labor. you mentioned your not inept mechanically. perhaps you can arrange with the mechanic for you to do some of the tear down and reassemble yourself. Let him do the things you aren't confident enough to do yourself, but do the things that you can do yourself. just thinking it might save you some cash. I like you and not a master mechanic, but do ok with a wrench in one hand and a beer in the other.....LOL. I ended up having to pull the motor apart after using a pencil to find TDC of piston when said pencil broke in half in the cylinder. tore it down fri. nite and was running by noon on sat. Just be sure to know the torque values when reassembling. I was amazed at how easy it was, now the only thing that i would be hesitant to do myself would be mess with the transmission. as far as routine maintenance goes, make sure you adjust the valves at recommended intervals use a good synthetic oil. I use amsoil full syn 10-40, seems to work well, in fact running it in my caddy and my lightning now. i usually change between 10 and 15 hrs of ride time. trail tech makes an onboard puter that will give you everything you need as far as water temp. resettable hour meter, speedo and tach.. Haven't sat on the bike in awhile (winter in Ohio) but i think its called a vapor. its worth the $120 or so it cost. Whatever you decide to do you will find plenty of help here at this site. everyone has been very helpful to me. I came off a yz490 to the berg. I have only ridden the 490 twice since buying the berg. I love a 2 stroke, but here in single track country i'll take my berg everytime. Don't be alarmed at the noise of the motor as a berg motor is noisy, and as you know they vibrate a lot, just don't tell your wife or gf.............LOL. sounds like your opting to fix her........good luck and don't be a stranger here. like i said any problem you have can probably be solved right here at this site.
 
woops..........forgot i added pics of the yamaha rd restoration i'm doing......pics of the berg are on page 2. all the piece parts are how i bought it.
 
Looks intense Buckeye...

Thanks for the encourgement...My local shop here says its not worth the time and money...but I don't get it!... if I could rebuild the engine for a 1000 or so...I think I'd have a great bike for a total of around 2500...So I think I'll go for it!

Post a Pic of the finished product!

Thanks again I'll be back
 
I think they're looking at it from an investment perspective. You have a bike you bought for $1000 and are now going to dump a lot of money into just to get running. Yes, you may have a $2500 bike but you'll never see even close to that when you get rid of it. Are you going to ride it until it blows up? What about parts? I've heard some of the earlier parts are getting scarce (is this true????).

Personally, I would agree with the shop. Unless you can do the work yourself and are willing to be patient and find good deals for parts, I don't think in the long run you're going to be happy. Sure you can do it, but at what cost. I think everyone on here who's done this for awhile can recall some money pit they owned that wasn't worth it in the end. Sometimes it's better to cut your losses.

If you do decide to dump it,stick with a Berg, but I would look for something in the new frame style from 01 and up. Parts are readily available and will be for quite awhile. You can always put the new carb on and sell it (being honest about the defects) and probably come close to getting your money back out of it. Good deals are out there. I got my 01 FX470e with an upgraded valvetrain, e-start, and Rekluse clutch (plus a bunch of other goodies) for $2500. Be patient and something will come along that you will be much happier with in the long run!! Good luck!
 
osubuckeye said:
I ended up having to pull the motor apart after using a pencil to find TDC of piston when said pencil broke in half in the cylinder.

You and bigbob brothers?
 

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Anastame, follow your gut feelings, if the bike is worth it to you, then go for it! Since you have mechanical aptitude, there are a couple of ways to save money.
#1 Do the repairs in steps as opposed to all at once. Sounds like you found a carb, and you can start rounding up parts and pieces for the engine.
#2 When you are ready for the engine work, take the engine out yourself, and clean the engine before you take it in, including dropping oil etc. No reason to pay somebody's shop rate for that. Same principal applies to the fork seals and shock work.
#3 If you are comfortable with doing the engine overhaul your self, then take #2 to the next level and strip the engine down yourself and take the bottom end in to the shop for the crank work (if that is what is needed).
#4 Shop around for your parts! There are many resources available on this site for procuring the bits and pieces, a non-berg dealer is going to call these guys for the parts and then mark them up a bit, cut out the middle man.
#5 Ask questions! If something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't, check it out before it gets really spendy.
Hope these help.
 
Thanks Everyone...

This bike is a Calif dual-sported/plated and runs...which is kind of rare here in Cali...
So I'm going to replace the Carb...ride it for 10hrs...Change the oil...Check and see if there really is " metal bering casings" in the oil...If so, I"ll pull the engine and take the bottom end (like Bend suggests)to the shop for bearing/crank work. I got a buddy who'll chage out he fork seals for an 18pak or so...So then I'll have a nice scoot that should last me 3-4 more yrs. It's better than paying 9K for a new KTM and only being able to sell it for 3500 a few years from now...
 

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