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Okay, I'm about to do my second oil change in my FS 650 and now I have a question; The manual tells me to put SYNTHETIC 10w-40 in it but the workshop that I bought the bike from tells me that I should run Belray 20w-50 MINERAL.

What am I missing? The clutch shouldnt slip with synthetic right?
 
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I sometimes feel like they're trying to screw me over, isn't fully synthetic oil the best option if I want the greatest protection? I know that mineral oil could be used to run-in newly restored engines but for me that is not the case
 
Hi, should be 5W40 for cooler temps (around or below 0 deg C) and 10W50 for warmer temps.

Fully synthetic is recommended. Your clutch will not slip as long at it is proper motorcycle oil (or "MA" qualified). MA or MA2 basically says that it is wet clutch compatible.

I run 20W50 as it is much more common that 10W50, just let the machine warm up for a bit longer.

Many people run mineral oil without issues, but as you said before, you are not too concerned with $$$, so use synthetic. It is better, but it costs more.

Again, find a balance between frequency and quality.

Lower quality oil (mineral) = more frequent changes

Higher quality oil (synth) = still frequent changes!

These engines love fresh oil. After having torn into my engine I can truly appreciate the importance of having a better oil in there and switching more often.

If it were me, I would choose a cheap oil and switch it often. If Belray is a good price, go for it. If not, then choose something else. Trouble with this forum and oil discussions is that the pricing map for Canada/US vs. Europe is completely different. Over here, Rotella is dirt cheap and Motorex costs more than gold. Perhaps over there it's the opposite.

Some decent oils from what I've read/used:
-Amsoil 20W50 (now they make a 10W50 as well $$)
-Lucas oil 20W50 ($$)
-Ipone 10W50 (from France, $$$)
-Motorex 10W50 (great quality, $$$$)
-Shell Rotella 10W40 mineral for diesel engines ($)
 
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Do the pre-'09s have a hydraulic cam chain tensioner? If so, then you'd probably want to tend towards the correct W rating. i.e. 10W-50 as in the manual or 5W if in a cooler climate.
 
I use only syntetic. And prefer Silkolene Pro 4, or Pro 4+, 10W50.
Also have very good experience with Motorex KTM Race line of oil.

I don't like Motul because if you use for ex. Silkolene and then switch to Motul the clutch slips. Doesn't happen if you switch from Silkolene to Motorex.

Prices in Croatia:
Motul 30+$ for 1 L
Silkolene and Motorex 25$ for 1 L



M.
 
Regarding shavings, I actually found a few very small pieces on the magnet, by small i mean like >1mm and there were only maybe 4-5 of them. My dealer told me it was normal to have SOME wear and therefore it could be some small shavings on the magnet.

I have no idea if this is correct but it seems okay since the transmission and motoroil is combined.
 
I use Motorex Power Synt 4T 10W/50 on mine. I'm happy with it!

Motorex is probably great stuff, but it is so expensive here that it simply isn't worth it.

Motorex-----$27 per litre
Ipone-------$18 per litre
Amsoil-------$14 per litre
Lucas Oil----$12 per litre
Rotella T----$4.50 per litre
 
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Motorex is probably great stuff, but it is so expensive here that it simply isn't worth it.

Motorex-----$27 per litre
Ipone-------$18 per litre
Amsoil-------$14 per litre
Lucas Oil----$12 per litre
Rotella T----$4.50 per litre

I can't remember how much I paid for it but this was actually my first time with Motorex and I bought the 4L bottle. I may try something else as soon as I need some more though.
 

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