am I F!@$#^!

While the bike has sat for about one year only being started occansionally duringthat time i have put alot of money into it by all new plastics, bearings, brakes, hoses, filters, bars, tires, fork rebuild!!! and so on and so on the bike was pretty well rebuilt except the motor. just oil and filters changed all the time and well taken care of.

well today while trying to get it started the kick starter stopped. now the gears all work as i can go through them all the wheel however i can trun half way around then it stops. am I screwed guys will i have to part it out now???????[b[/b]

Just sounds to me like the kick starter is broken, but, you won't know for sure till you pull the side cover and check.

The Doc has some instruction on how to refit the kicker.

What year is the bike?

i didnt think abou tthe kick starter going i figured since the wheel will turn at least a bit than the piston has locked or somthing

ok what the hell i took the plug out and put it 6th gear and rolled the tire around and gots lots of air pumping out the hole now with the plug in again i can kick through what should i do guys!?!?!?!?!?

remove the spark plug to ensure the cylinder is not just filled with fuel and hydraulic locked.

thats what it is nsman its filling with fuel same with the damm carb. i unscrewed the bottem plug in carb turned on the gas and it just starts running out. im about ready to say the hell with it and have one of you guys come pick it up im tired of having to work on it every time i want to ride it.

if you pull the bowl plug and turn on the gas it will run out until the tank goes dry. You need the bowl plug in so that it will fill and the floats will raise and inturn shut off the fuel flow.

I'm assuming that your plug was all wet with gas when you pulled it right?

And did gas come out of the spark plug hole when you pushed it through with the plug out?

Since you have said that it sat for some time, and the fact that after removing the plug you could roll it through with the wheel, and on the assumption that the cylinder was filled with gas that you pushed out when the plug was out, it would appear that two things are wrong.

#1 Your over flow tube from the carb bowl is blocked. See if it is got something caked on the outside of it. If not, remove the carb and clean it out, under no circumstances should you attempt to blow air back up the over flow tube as any dirt that is in there will blow right into the float bowl.

#2 Your float valve is stuck open allowing the gas to overflow the bowl and it is coming out past the needle and is settling in above the intakes and it goes into the cylinder when you kicked it over, thus hydraulically locking the piston. That is what the over flow tube from the float bowl is for.

You should smell gas like crazy if this is happening. Becareful because your air boot behind the carb could very well be filled with gas and if that is so and it back fires you will have a nice fire on your hands.

You will probably have to pull the carb and clean it out, it's an easy job.

Again, what year and model is your bike so that we have a better idea of what we are dealing with so we can help you better.

Hey mberg501, don't blame the bike! The float needle in the dellorto carb has (I am assuming you have a dellorto) a tendency to stick when left sitting for long periods of time, not a big deal, I usually tap the float bowl with the handle of a screw driver to jar it loose. If one removes the float bowl "plug" and turns the fuel on, you should have fuel running out. If your engine is full of fuel, then the needle has stuck open and your carb vents are probably plugged as well. All of these are easy fixes. #1 clean the carb, take it off the bike, remove the float bowl, and blow out ALL the air passages and jets. Clean the float needle. Time 1 hour max. #2 If you are not going to ride for a bit, drain the fuel out of the carb, and when you go to ride next time give the float bowl a couple of sharp raps with something like a screwdriver handle to free up the needle. Note for the future, if the fuel needle is stuck fuel should be running out the overflow tube of the carb. Hope this helps, happy motoring...EDIT Dale beat me to it...so ..I agree with Dale

mberg501 said:

thats what it is nsman its filling with fuel same with the damm carb. i unscrewed the bottem plug in carb turned on the gas and it just starts running out. im about ready to say the hell with it and have one of you guys come pick it up im tired of having to work on it every time i want to ride it.

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It's supposed to do that. Just the same it may have a stuck or sunk float.
Relax big fella. Sit down, crack a beer and take a few deep breaths. One of the worst things you can do is let a bike sit. These things are bound to happen.

Screw in the bottom plug (float bowl drain) and turn on the gas. If fuel starts running out the carb vents take a look at the float, needle and seat. If all is good, try to start her again.

It's gonna be alright.

Damm, Dale and BB both got me... dinner will have to wait until I'm done typing next time

Mberg ignore Bergers signature! LOL

Hi, i guess you are running a Dell'Orto carb. If so take out the float. Then inspect the float needle and carefully clean it. Change if necessary.
While you have the carb on the work bench you should clean it.

take it apart totally an put all bits in alcohol or gas. Then take your favorite spray solvent (like break clean) and spray from the inside-out in all the small holes in the carb. Remember From the float and out.
If i remember correctly it has 3 or 4 holes in the venturi, these must be clear.
Don´t forget to take the ring in the beginning of the venturi off. Also check that ring for sharp edges against the carb house, blend them if necessary.


Good luck, and remember methodically and throughly does it.

1998 FC501
full big gun exhaust
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i guess your all right the dang carb is a big issue i just dont have the money to buy a new carb or have this one rebuilt. sorry to yell im just frustrated you see after 15yrs in the Navy voulenteering to go to afganistan and iraq and anyother place i could go ive just been told this last week that i am either going to be medically seperated or retired they just dont know yet. thank you all for the input. if there is anyone wanting to sell a vet on the way out a cheap carb thats good or any ideas let me know!!!!

Those carbs are not hard to clean, just have to pay attention to detail. I don`t know if your carb is a VHSB or a PHM but it shouldn`t make that much difference. Like what was posted above it shouldn`t take more than a hour. Use some spray carb cleaner and compressed air and make sure everything is clear. Pay close attention to the vents and the holes on the venturi. Check the rubber boots both intake side and air cleaner side for excess gas. Remove if needed. Allow yourself plenty of time and don`t rush and stay calm ( easier said than done :lol: ). When it gets warm weather I will have to all the above and then some. Good luck and hope this helps.

mberg501 said:

1998 FC501
full big gun exhaust
check out my pics

i guess your all right the dang carb is a big issue i just dont have the money to buy a new carb or have this one rebuilt. sorry to yell im just frustrated you see after 15yrs in the Navy voulenteering to go to afganistan and iraq and anyother place i could go ive just been told this last week that i am either going to be medically seperated or retired they just dont know yet. thank you all for the input. if there is anyone wanting to sell a vet on the way out a cheap carb thats good or any ideas let me know!!!!

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Sir!

If you are a little intimidated by taking apart/rebuilding that carb, and are willing to at least take the bowl off and make sure that it is fully clear of gasoline, I will gladly do it for you if you will send it to me. It may need some parts, that and the postage to me will be your only cost out of pocket. Otherwise if you are familiar with this sort of thing I would say berger's advice is the best. I know it is probably really frustrating cause you just want to go and ride. Either way, we will get'er done. Just pm me if you want to send it to me.

Dale

Oh, i´m sorry check the intake rubber for cracks.
The only parts you need is the needle jet and needle. But only if they are worn.

guys i took the carb off and took apart as much as i could using the doc's sprayed the crap out of it with carb cleaner and then LPair put it all back together and kicked it twice than lock up. so i put it in gear again took out the plug again and guess what it will rotate backwards through out the stroke but not forward so is it now the kickstarter?

It almost sound like something that happend to me. But in my case the "Aut. decompression device" and "Camchain guide" broke, resulting in a pice of plastic from the "Camchain guide" got stuck between "Gear wheel driving shaft" and the "Camchain".
Sorry for the bad english.

for dog's sake, pull the clutch cover :roll: we're dyin' here

throttle back ned37 it took me how long to take the carb off. im not that good at the mechanincs part plus if i need parts whats a guy to do then? its not like i can just wake up and say oh well heres 200 bucks for the bike store today when will it be done?