Just put the thing back together and it wont start. I thought I could use the kickstart now but it goes easy a third of the way then it gets hard and i can hear the gears going inside and then it stops. I thought i did it well cuz the kickstarter fell out of place and chewed up some of the case but im not sure if it moved again during install… what do i do now? The el. start just spins and doesnt catch, i havent checked spark yet but i dont think i would have it anyhow since it doesnt catch.
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Lol, thats unfortunate… have to redo the water pump seal anyhow. So drain the oil and coolant again and reset the kickstart? I feel like the kickstart shaft has play, could that be the reason?
Taffy could it be the starter sprague? I’ve seen multiple people talking about it, many of them mentioning you. I’ll take it apart and try to see whats wrong
Thanks, i’ll check it out today after church. Take the thing apart and then see what i need to order, i know my waterpump seal is gone aswell as the gasket. I’ll send pictures when I disassemble it to double check if im checking the right things.
The starter motor freewheel looks fine to me, and it seems to rotate the gear as well, strange it doesn't work in your first video then.
The kickstarter I would say it's normal, since you don't have the guiding bush from the clutch cover when it's open, I think that's why you need to force on it to make it rotate.
Maybe try to fit the clutch cover without the water pump, no oil or water, just to check the starter motor and kick are working. Just unplug the sparkplug so that it doesnt actually start like this.
The kickstarter I would say it's normal, since you don't have the guiding bush from the clutch cover when it's open, I think that's why you need to force on it to make it rotate.
Maybe try to fit the clutch cover without the water pump, no oil or water, just to check the starter motor and kick are working. Just unplug the sparkplug so that it doesnt actually start like this.
Ok will do, thank you. I have to get new water pump shaft seals and o rings probably since the coolant mixed w oil. Good thing it didnt start lol
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Ely, England
when you put the kickstart gear on and push it down, it has to be flush with the idler gear on its lower left. you pushed the gear on and it was still 3mm proud. get a rubber/copper hammer and tap the shaft in further.
Currently the shaft can't move because it is "spring loaded" and the friction it can create is stronger than your two thumbs pushing.
Taffy
Currently the shaft can't move because it is "spring loaded" and the friction it can create is stronger than your two thumbs pushing.
Taffy
Yeah so sometimes it sits flush in and then its great, as soon as i put pressure on it w the kickstart lever it backs out and therefore rubs against the main gear and then it doesnt spin at all. Happened when i put the case on a tightened it. Just gut stuck at some point and had to push it back in/ put it on again and then…
So this morning i tried putting another set of washers behind the plate to see if ti would make a difference. It didnt and i couldnt get it into to right place to try to turn it over. I took them out and the the idler and kickstart gears would be flush. I turned it over once, air rushed from the cilinder and after the rotation the kickstart gear moved out jammed against the main gear and i couldnt turn it over again. I pushed the kickstart gear back in place but it just wouldnt turn over again. Had to take the whole thing apart again and then try again. Tried it both with a case and without, with the case the shaft doesnt have as much leverage but still has enough movement to make it able for the gear to jam up against something.
Joined Nov 2001
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Ely, England
Do you think that you have the kickstart spring in correctly?
have a look at the k/s spring. it has a hook at one end, that hook has to go into the gearbox. there is a v in the crankcase and the hook has to go on the V. The pointy end goes in a tiny hole in the kick start shaft. Put it in WITHOUT the sledge key or the baby spring. just the kick start spring and the kick start shaft.
put the key and baby spring in afterwards. The sledge plate accepts 1mm washers but it won't accept 2mm washers.
Taffy
have a look at the k/s spring. it has a hook at one end, that hook has to go into the gearbox. there is a v in the crankcase and the hook has to go on the V. The pointy end goes in a tiny hole in the kick start shaft. Put it in WITHOUT the sledge key or the baby spring. just the kick start spring and the kick start shaft.
put the key and baby spring in afterwards. The sledge plate accepts 1mm washers but it won't accept 2mm washers.
Taffy
Will let you know, i believe i put it in the right way but i’ll try to film it aswell so you can see if im doing something wrong. I feel like there should be a cerclip or something to hold the kickstart gear in place… i feel like both the shaft and the gear move to much, i dont think the shaft should have that much play which leads to the gear getting stuck on something else
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 773+
Ely, England
I’ll try the weld thing. Do you know why the gear itself manages to back out and jam against something else.
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