Trail Tech HID lighting sytem

Does anyone have any experience with one of these lighting systems? I have been searching for a lighting kit for my bike and want something that will be sufficient without mounting two of these like you see on the baja rides. The pics show a nice product but sometimes the one in the box is not the one in the pic!!! Would the stator on my bike support one of these HID lights or am I looking to kill the electrical system of my bike? Any thoughts or suggestions? I have a '02 FC550/6 bike with stock stator from the factory.....

[web]http://www.trailtech.net/racelight.htm[/web]



Regards,

Looks mighty familiar... :lol:

I've never used their HID system, but Geoff is a straight-up guy who knows what he's doing and stands behind his products.

~ Ken

Don't stress too much about killing the electrical system, so long as the battery does not get sent flat by the extra current draw. The way the regulator works is that all power generated in excess of that required by the electrical system gets shorted out anyway. You should be not be any more likely to fry anything by installing other lights.

BundyBear,

Being that I have the FC (motocross) model, I don't have a battery or any of that fancy-smancy wiring on my bike. I do not have any technical knowledge about the wiring, stator, rectifier or any other thing that carries current or voltage on my bike.... ok, just the basics anyhow. Can someone steer me as to what I would need to do to run one of these babies on my bike? Can I connect it up and run it without a battery just off the bikes power when running??? Will I need to buy rectifier/voltage limiter or anything else or am I getting into the arena of wiring my bike into an FE and all that stuff? The site says connect red to hot and black to ground and you are up and running.... this sounds easy enough to me!

Regards,

One other thing to point out.... The pictures I posted from the TrailTech web site show the light mounted on an FC450 so the wiring should be the same as mine.

Regards,

Trail Tech said:

Connect the red wire to power and the black wire to ground. That's it.

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This implies that the bike they are talking abaout already has a DC power system. It is possible that their HIDs are built with their own AC to DC conversion bits inside, but I doubt it.

If so, the extra bits you will need to make HIDs work on an AC motocrosser system are a regulator, a rectifier and some kind of power smoothing device.

You can get the regulator & rectifier in a simpler single combined unit - even some models of 'bergs use them. I understand Baja Designs sells them in your part of the world also. They would likely be cheaper than OEM 'berg stuff.

The power smoothing device is usually a battery but, if you are happy for the lights to go out as soon as the engine stops, you can probably get away with a few large capacitors connected in place of a battery.They would be smaller, lighter & probably cheaper than a battery. You connect them up in parallel and would need between about 5,000 & 10,000 microfarads total. Small 16 volt rated ones should be OK, but if the regulator stops working they will rupture - but then so will the HID probably! 35V ones would be OK no matter what.

A battery would of course keep the HIDs running for a while with the engine stopped. A battery should be connected through a fuse but capacitors would not need one.

BundyBear,

You are a genius!!! after poking around on the Trail Tech web site I think I found all the info you have already provided with more in depth detail and hi-resolution pictures.

Go to the "Trail Tech" web site.
Click on the "Motorcycle" link at the top of the page.
Click on the "Electrical" link at the side of the page.
Presto!!!!

All the parts I would need and even a "How to do it yourself" document in Hi-resolution (via Adobe Acrobat).

From your expertise, does this sound like something that can be done on the FC550 with relative ease? I would not want to start a project like this and find out half way through that I got in over my head and now may be shelling out a hundred dollars here and there for this part and that part. What would you think would be the best route to take aside from buying a new bike? This seems to me to be somewhat complicated and I can already see that I would be fabbing a battery box and possibly jacking my stator up if I were to pursue this endeavor. Any suggestions? The "how to" guide seems detailed enough but the ripping my stator apart and soldering wires here and there has me a little apprehensive. Thoughts???

thanks for the replys,

I have another question to the masses.....

When I pull the flywheel cover off my bike, the stator is sealed in black plastic around the unit. How come it does not look anything like the one I am seeing on all the other bikes? (I'm guessing that you are gona tell me thats because its a SEM P.O.S. right?) If I were to unbolt the stator unit from the cover via the three screws in the middle (after marking its position carefully) would the back side of the stator look like the other units I see? I think I am starting to put two-and-two together and now know why rewinding the SEM is just short of impossible. I have read the threads of past with limited understanding on this topic but a year ago no one was fixing the stators... just replacing with a new unit. I have read with increasing positive results that people are rewinding the stator and getting them to work again. There must be a method to this..... I think I could do this if I had the stator in the pics I see on all the other bikes. So I guess I should ask, "Who's developing a prototype ignition to replace the SEM?" I thought I read somewhere before that this SEM was off a 2 stroke bike and fires every cycle of the crank or something along those lines....... Anyone?? :cry:

Regards,

Hey Keith -

The instructions on re-winding the stator on the Trail Tech site are for the Kuk ignition (2004 - on) and not for your SEM unit.

E-mail tech support at Trail Tech and they will respond with a detailed solution for your specific bike...


~ Ken

For What it's worth,

Go to the main Husaberg site and download the 01-02 parts manual. In section 42 you'll find the ignition section where it lists the different ignitions. To me it looks like you do have a lighting coil in the ignition it just istn't used. But look for the blue and yellow wires to confirm. You are going to need these wires to power your lighting system.

A bit further in you'll the wiring diagrams, look in section 55 at the FCe & FXe on the left side and you'll see the basic set up you're going to want. You'll notice that you need the rectifier/regulator set up to power the battery, as what they call the generator is actually an alternator and generates it's power in AC current, that's why they need the rectifier, to feed DC to the battery. B/C if you notice in section 54 they are using the AC to power the "stock" lighting system as it only has a regulator.

Myself, I'd go to the trouble of putting the battery on the bike and feed the lighting system with the battery so the lights don't go out when you slam on the brakes and kill the motor.

It would also appear to me that you should be able to use two rectifiers/regulators in parrallel to feed the battery to support the lighting system. This will give you 140 watt's of power to charge the battery, smooth out the system, and run the lighting system. But you could also use just one leg of the system, one yellow wire, to feed the system with one regulator/rectifier, which would be more than enough power to run a 35Watt HID as you have 70Watt's per yellow wire. Then run a parrallel system that is not hooked up, but can be used as a back up in the event of a failure of the primary lighting coil that you're using. It would then be just a matter of swapping a couple of wire around to hardware that is already mounted and you'd be back in business.

Hope this helps,

Hey Keith,
Your 550 has a lightining coil in it, a rather good one at that. It should have most of the wiring for the headlamp as well. When I made mine street legal there was minimal work involved.
Baja Designs makes some good lights that you can install without a battery. I think they make the Tecate light available with or without a battery setup.

DaleEO said:

Myself, I'd go to the trouble of putting the battery on the bike and feed the lighting system with the battery so the lights don't go out when you slam on the brakes and kill the motor.

It would also appear to me that you should be able to use two rectifiers/regulators in parrallel to feed the battery to support the lighting system. This will give you 140 watt's of power to charge the battery, smooth out the system, and run the lighting system. But you could also use just one leg of the system, one yellow wire, to feed the system with one regulator/rectifier, which would be more than enough power to run a 35Watt HID as you have 70Watt's per yellow wire. Then run a parrallel system that is not hooked up, but can be used as a back up in the event of a failure of the primary lighting coil that you're using. It would then be just a matter of swapping a couple of wire around to hardware that is already mounted and you'd be back in business.

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I agree with fitting a battery - even a smaller one than is used on the e-start bikes - rather than using capacitors. It is tops to be able to still have light to find your bike after a wheelsup at night!


The simplest way to get full 140W or so is just to connect the two yellow stator ouput wires together & feed that into a single regulator. Using two regs & rects would complicate things unnecessarily. I am yet to hear of a stator failure that has resulted in a 12V lighting coil failure - they all seem to be in the separate spark windings.

I did an alternative on my bike where I fitted a relay in that pulls in whenever the head lights are switched on. The contacts of the relay switch in the second lighting winding. All this does is lighten the load on the charging system (and the bit of engine power going into it) when there is not much electrical power used by the bike.

Berger,

So what you are telling me is that I am set up at the stator and no mods need to be done there? All I should need then is 1) Regulator 2) light 3)Battery[Only if I want lights when engine is off] thats it? I thought I remember reading somewhere that all bergs(SEM) have a lighting coil on them..... at least something positive comes from this stator..... get it, positive!!! (I just made a :roll: joke) This is excellent news. Ken, thanks for the response, what do you think about the Baja light you have? Fit & finish? Price? Quality? Did It meet/exceed your expectations? HID or Halogen? I really would like to put one on and would like something nice and not some junk that barley lights the 10ft in front of you.... Thanks for everyones input, as always, very helpful.

Regards,

Keith,
I never did pull the trigger on the Baja Designs Tecate light although I have heard good things about them. You should have everything you need to run one. I was not going to bother with a battery setup.
I think you should give them a call and see what they suggest.
https://www.bajadesigns.com/NET/mainfra ... x?content=

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sandskipper the bike your looking at with the 8 inch light is mine.

for 275.00 you get a light exactly like you see in the picture,

but is not hid,hid sells for 475.00 & you need a battery or capacitor,

voltage regulator/rectifier.The 275.00 version is awsome,not only in

price but in easy installation.55w,75w or 100w h1 halogen bulbs

are used.your stator puts out 130w of power,the larger wattage

bulbs will dim at low rpm's,I would recomend 55w or 75w.

purchace a 14.95 voltage regulator 275.00 light & your lit.up

your headlight will have two wires red for power & black for

ground. voltage reg. has two wires yellow & black. your stator

has three wires two yellow & one blue,ground the blue to clean frame

ground black from headlight & reg. take either one of the yellows

from stator & connect to reg. & run to red of light. disreguard other

stator yellow. That's how easy it is. call me its all in stock!!

Keep in mind Rick that Keith is running a SEM stator and not Kokusan. The wiring maynot be the same.

BOSS,

What a coincidence! Nice set up I must say, I dig your wheels and am glad that you are able to first hand give me info on this product and its details. I will most definitely be dropping you a line for the voltage regulator and light in the next month or two. I just dropped alot of coin on my wifes new bike and gear so I must pay bills now but will pick up the goods soon. I really like the look of your bike with the blue H2O and brake juice line as well as the rims, fine looking ride indeed!!!

Thanks,

electricl

berger,I was keeping that in mind my freind kokusan stators have

one white wire & one yellow.


sandskipper thank you for the kind words, she really is sexy!!

p.s I'm going to post a picture of my version 2 skid plate,

i'v done it right this time boy's!!!!!

Hi sandskipper,

The 01 and 02 Husaberg schematic for the FC model could of had 2 different Ignition stators, depending on whether the bike was intended to have electric start or kick start only.

The Electric Start model stator will have 6 leads comming from it. Red, Black & Green going to the ignition module; and 2 Yellow 1 Blue wires for lights and battery charging.

The kick start only model stator has 3 leads comming from it. Red, Black & Green going to the ignition module. Nothing available for lights.

Here is a copy of the Wiring Diagram. Which version of the stator does your Bike have?

http://www.husaberg.org/uploads/JoeUSA/ ... 001-02.pdf

Regards,

Joe

elecrtical

joeusa,to set the record straight,fc & fe have the same stator's.
fsc had no lighting,OK!