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January 24, 2008

The Moronic Sport*
ORVs on the Public Lands
By GEORGE WUERTHNER

Right now various National Forests and BLM districts are beginning to put together travel management plans. Most of these plans are focused on corralling the growing abuse of our public lands by thrillcraft-ATVs, dirt bikes, dune buggies, swamp buggies, jet skis, snowmobiles, and other associated toys used by neotenous adults. Many citizens are agonizing over which parts of our public domain should be designated legalized abusement parks, and which lands should be protected from such abuse. The underlying assumption of all these travel management plans is that some level of abuse and vandalism of our public domain by thrillcraft owners is inevitable.

I do not accept the premise that abuse of our lands is something that we must tolerate as inevitable. It is our land. It is our children's land, and their children's land. We have a responsibility to pass these lands on to the next generation in better condition than we found them. And we have a collective responsibility to protect our national heritage against the thrillcraft menace.

The real problem isn't the machines. It's not even the people. Many otherwise decent people ride thrillcraft, but when they straddle one of these machines they become participants in a dysfunctional culture. It is a culture that sees our public land as nothing more than a giant sandbox. Thrillcraft culture represents a lack of respect for other people's property and the quality of their outdoor experience. What people do on their own property is not my concern, but when they ride their machines on public lands it becomes a societal issue. Our public lands are as close as our society has to shared "sacred" ground.

The operation of any thrillcraft has a disproportional impact upon the landscape, wildlife and other people. Thrillcraft pollute the air and water. They compact soils. They damage wetlands and riparian areas. They spread weeds. They displace wildlife. The noise, speed, and general disregard for other people by thrillcraft owners displace other non-motorized users of our public lands. Increasingly they threaten archeological treasures. How can any of this be considered "responsible" use?

You hear a lot about "responsible" ORV use and "a few bad apples" from thrillcraft promoters themselves, as well as some government bureaucrats. But these are misleading terms to say the least. What is responsible about tearing up the land? It's like suggesting we ought to promote "responsible wife abuse" or "responsible child abuse." There is no level of violence to our lands that is acceptable. Working with agencies to create designated routes or play areas is just helping to legalize public vandalism. There is no way to use these machines in a responsible manner except to leave them parked in a driveway.

I find it extremely ironic we would arrest someone as a vandal who had spray painted a Forest Service sign-a human made artifact that is easily repaired--but we assume it is perfectly legal right now for someone to tear up miles of our public lands for fun that may take decades or centuries to heal if at all-with no consequences? Where is the parity?

Most people would never allow thrillcraft to run across their lawns. They would not tolerate such noise in their neighborhoods. They would not accept being run off their sidewalks and pathways in their towns by motorized hoodlums racing along at unsafe speeds. Would we allow thrillcraft to do wheelies in the Arlington National Cemetary, or crawl up the Lincoln Memorial? I think not. And I see no reason to permit similar antics on the rest of our public lands.

Some proponents try to brand those fighting the thrillcraft invasion as "elitist." But what could be more elitist than imposing noise, pollution, and just general havoc upon others? You don't need a machine to have fun or to access the public lands. A pair of sneakers and a willingness to make a little personal effort is all that one needs to enjoy our wonderful public spaces. This is not about excluding people. It's about excluding their hurtful machines.

We Americans need to stand up against this ill-treatment of our common heritage. To me the burning of an American Flag is nothing compared to the deliberate destruction of our public lands for kicks. It's time for true American patriots to stand up and be willing to call these activities for what they are-vandalism or worse. If these motorheads want to run around in circles in their own backyards, have at it, but they have no place on the public lands.

It's time to ban all recreational use of thrillcraft from the public domain. I personally can not understand how anyone can make deals about thrillcraft abuse. Why is it wrong or bad to operate these machines in one place and not another. Isn't the damage equally as bad? If it's not acceptable on some of our public lands, it's really not acceptable on any public lands. We need to get beyond the idea that we need to "compromise" on abuse. There is no compromise on some things.

To those who think we have to accept thrillcraft because they are "traditional" activities, I remind them that the same arguments were once made about segregation, beating up your wife, about smoking in public places, and many other behaviors and cultural "traditions" that were once commonplace. Society now views these things as wrong, and has outlawed them.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. Running thrillcraft on our public lands is wrong. It's not good for the land. It's not good for the air and water. It's not good for wildlife. It's not good for other people. It's not even good for the people doing it. It's time to ban these machines, not legitimize the continued destruction of our sacred public commons.

* "The Moronic Sport" courtesy of Doug Peacock.

George Wuerthner is an ecologist, writer and photographer with 34 published books, including Wild Fire: A Century of Failed Forest Policy and Montana, Magnificent Wilderness and, most recently, Thrillcraft: the Environmental Consequences of Motorized Recreation.

Or you can buy one of his books....

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1933392665/counterpunchmaga
 
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I was typing with my hands behind my back to give you a fair chance.

Oh, and I disconnected the keyboard.

thanks,
json








PS: And turned off the computer.
 
He's right, but he's doing exactly what he is arguing against! If it is OK to ban certain stuff because of environmental destruction, surely what we should be banning is what is the root cause of it all - ie human existance.

OK here is what we'll do. Nominate some particular date where every one of the several billion humans on earth will top themselves, including the author. Voila! No more ecological problem!

Please note I'm not a dictator. Each person can choose their fate so long as it is effective!

I guess this leads to the age-old question: If a tree falls in the forest and no-one is there to hear it, did it actually happen?
 
C'mon dudes, he's from Vermont, what do you expect?

His comments are pretty hysterical to me, except that the ignorant would actually believe that is what we're all about. However, he is typical of the stereo typing, hate speak spewing, radical environmentalist, and their my way is the only way view point. And for the most part, most environmentalists are of the same end game, they don't want any of us on any public land. They are incapable of the concept of sharing the land. Hey, if you don't want to hear or see any ohv's, go hike into a wilderness area. Of course, it's too bad if you're disable and in a wheel chair because wheel chaisr aren't allowed on trails in a wilderness area, so you're axed out buddy. And oh, if you're not in good enough physical condition to hike for miles over uneven terrain with your "sneakers" on,well you're axed out too. Of course, trails like the pacific crest trail that is a pretty well burned in trail from people in their sneakers walking on it leaves the same kind of trail basically that bikes leave. They compact the soil, their sneakers pick up the seeds of non indigenous plants and spread them into the different area's where they walk, blah, blah, you get the point. This guy's a nut job like all the rest of the radical enviro's.

And I agree with this guy in so far as that you cannot compromise, at least not compromise when it comes to shared access. There is no compromising with "these" people. Period.




http://www.off-road.com/offroad/Land+Us ... 0wrenching

http://www.amazon.com/Ecodefense-Field- ... 0963775103

http://www.omnipresence.mahost.org/inttxt.htm

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/3454

http://www.nationalcenter.org/dos7129.htm

http://www.4x4wire.com/access/education ... wp_pt6.htm

If you have time this one is particularly telling http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/ju ... 9927_0.HTM
 
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what a tosser !!!

thrill craft ...THRILL CRAFT .. he needs to be sprayed with roost from a FE 650 at full noise .
 
RE: Re: The moronic sport

In the good ole UK we have loads of people like this we were thrown of the beach on Boxing day, they are known as what we call complete WA*K*RS and it is our duty to annoy them whenever possible. :devil:
 
RE: Re: The moronic sport

The problem is that many idiots only listen to that they want to listen and often are only interested in listening yo comments supporting their misconceptions, and this is something that I see on both sides of the political divide.

As we all know, golfing is more damaging to our environment, because of all the water, pesticide, fertilizer they use (let alone the gas burned in the lawn mowers), plus all the golf balls that often fall in ponds, lakes, rivers or even straight in the ocean.

I am not ranting against golf, but although that sport is more damaging than ours (which one is more moronic I will let you decide), somehow the eco-nazis will have a harder time convincing their crowd that golf needs to be banned.
 
Here's another "essay" that is associated with the original moronic thing

http://www.wildlandscpr.org/smoke-and-g ... id-havlick

It's a rather interesting read, and while the author seems like a pleasant enough fellow, his essay is milque toast, does little to provide basis for his hypothesis, in fact, his hypothesis and subsequent writings bely the facts of his elitist attitudes that he is trying to dispel. Not to mention that he fails to mention that the available land for ohv use has dropped over the last 25 years, by as much as 50%, but, actually suggests that the ohv agenda is to open up more land to ohv use. I highly recommend that you read this article as well, you may want to take a drammamine tablet before doing so to help with the effects of nausea before hand though.

I'm not surprised at all by writings such as these. They are written by people who think that what they do in their everyday lives as far as their contribution of the consumption of raw materials is akin to Qui Changs walking on the rice paper and not leaving a trace. Otherwise known as denial.

He is rather complimentary in his article at how "they" underestimated us, and us being the "slob recreationists" and is somewhat bewildered as to why they have not succeeded further in their quest to remove roads and access to the land by ohv'ers.

This brings me to my last point, then I shall stop my rant. The fact is that only about 10-20% of ohv enthusiasts belong to an ohv organization. If we could just get 50-60% of tthe ohv public to join an organization and contribute a the cost of a couple of tanks of fuel a year to a legal defense fund we would be in a lot better shape as far as land use battles go. At least in court. The media is rarely if ever our friend, let alone an unbiased reporter of the facts.

http://www.sharetrails.org/public_lands/
 
Well, this guy is a nut..for sure. On the same line of logic as he spews, we should tear up the millions of miles of paved roads, remove all the utilities that serve our city's, and plow down all the high density housing around our city's for all the exact same reasons as he has listed. Oh wait there is no logic to what he is saying.Unfortunatly, people like this won't get it until they are using out houses, packing water into there house with a bucket and using there BMW for a chicken coupe, then they will get it. Lucky for us this type of rant has really turned the government off on dealing with the environuts. The ones to look out for are the smart ones who know how to use our government against us ($$$$$), they are getting it done!
 
MY F@*&^ng LAND!

What really gets me about these very narrow-minded pricks is the hypocracy that is the foundation of their rationale. This guy talks about only enjoying the land in a "pair of sneakers". I'm sure if he researched the impact even 1-pair of Nikes had on HUMAN society he would shut his friggin ignorant mouth. But fact is, even if he buys Vasque hiking boots to trod the the land of my Native American ancestors, he has impacted hundreds of acres of deciduous forest in Asia and exploited impoverished HUMANS abroad. Unlike me, I'm sure he hasn't skinned a freshly killed mammal, cured it's hide with the brain and fluids in its skull, and fashioned footwear in an effort to maintain tradition and lessen global impact.

And no doubt he drove an internal combustion engine -powered vehicle to get to the trailhead, or his publisher's office, or frriggin' WalMart, impacting the Earth and more HUMANS in the process. The fact he even prints on paper or uses the internet makes him walking hypocracy!

But more important (and personal) to me is the fact that a man of white, western-european descent would EVER say we cannot compromise on the use of public land! Before he (through the plight of his self-righteous ancestors) came to North America, my ancestors lived in-tune with God and nature in the Eastern part of Tennessee. His lack of compromise lead to the demise of my heritage and culture!

So I agree; NO COMPROMISE! GO HOME HYPOCRITE WHITE MAN! And when you're gone, I'm gonna take my Husaberg FE550E and rip up the Monarch and John Muir Wilderness areas with a fresh set of knobbies burning VP Ultimate4 racing fuel.

How's that for compromise, BIAAATCH?

Tom Nichols
#60 WSMC (retired)
and proud Cherokee
 
Sorry for the Editorial-
But I get, well, INTOLERANT to intolerance! Who's riding with me and RISKY1 on the Mojave Rd April 4,5,6?
Cheers-
Tom
 
One other tid bit of info that I forgot to mention...............

Only 2% of public land is open and or legal for motorized recreation, and "they" don't like that either.
 
The head Greenie Tree Hugging Lady Activist, who was responsible for getting bikes banned from National Parks & State Forests, was climbing a big tree to have a look out over the forestry when a Tawny Frogmouth Owl attacked her for invading its nesting site.

In a panic to make her escape, she slid down the tree, getting many splinters in the crotch of her designer shorts. In considerable pain she hurried to the nearest Doctor, told him she was an environmentalist, and how she got all the splinters.

The Doctor listened with great patience and then told her to go into the examining room and he would see if he could help her. She waited for three hours before the Doctor reappeared.

The angry woman demanded: "What took you so long?"

He smiled and then told her: "Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection Agency, the Forestry Service, National Parks and Wildlife Service, Rural Fire Service, and Conservation and Land Management, before I could remove "Old Growth Timber" from a recreational area."

"I am sorry but they turned me down....."
 
DaleEO said:
One other tid bit of info that I forgot to mention...............

Only 2% of public land is open and or legal for motorized recreation, and "they" don't like that either.

And what is the proportion of land in this country that is classified as "public" land. Remove the urban sprawl (zoned for development), what the military owns (notice how they don't complain much about the way the military wrecks it), and what the Indians own, what's left?

Not counting Alaska (where a big chunk is permafrost), the total amount of land open for motorized recreation in the 48 States has to be about, what... half of a percent?
 

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