Starting 2001 Berg FX 470

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mkcurtiss

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So I just got my 2001 FX 470. The electric start does not work of course. It clicks, but that is it. So I have to kick this freaking thing. And that is an adventure.....
I will get the hang of cranking it, as I have had many bikes....
My real question is, to address the ridiculous cold natured attitude of this thing. It will crank then die, several times, before it gets warmed up enough to stay running. And even then I have to give it some throttle cold which I do not want to do. Is this because the thing is jetted too lean ? And just what is it going to take to get the button working.....Will a large battery do the trick? What about using the space under the seat to store a battery? I am happy to fabricate a mounting cage for the battery, if this is a possibility. The thing seems very well built, in regard to hub sizes, spoke sizes, thickness of steel, etc. The engine fires up and does not smoke at all...It makes a lot of noise, but most thumpers do, so no surprise there. I got my seat recovered, and got a few other nic-nacs done. What is with the starter power lever on throttle side of handlebars? WTF? There is a blinker switch on the hendlebar cluster, but no blinkers on bike..Does this mean the wires are there? Just install some small blinkers? This will be my dual sport bike, so the blinkers are crucial, and the e-start pretty important too, since I intend to go to bike night on it, and would rather not be kicking until I am blue in the face...that does not seem real cool.......lol........did I say that?.........
Mike
 
Where to start....
The starter is not intended to be used for cold starts, but is a restarter.
Have you read the owners doc completely? Here is the link.
http://www.husaberg.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

The FX had no headlights or blinkers from the factory, I don't know what you blinker switch is. You will have a switch for Hi/Low, this is the ignition map switch.
starter button should be on the right side.

Have a look at "the doc" and get back to us"
 
Okay...I am a manual reader....I even read the manual to a new remote control for my freakin tv, so I will read the manual, cover to cover.....
My bike has a headlight hi/lo beam switch...
...It also has a keyswitch, a blinker switch, a horn, a mirror, the crazy hi/lo power electric start lever ? wtf?,and some other goodies....Factory connection revalved forks, a tailight with 2 bulbs, a brakelight switch on the rear brake pedal, and I think some kind of aftermarket silencer, as it seems to have some carbon fiber end cap on it. Oh, and did I mention that I have a horn?....Oh yeah, I did.... I only have to add blinkers and i am ready for city inspection....a necessity here, so i can get a tag. Emissions are not checked on bikes, but pretty much everything else is.
Okay, the 3rd, and fourth time I started it, things were much better. Clearly, if I am going to start the bike, I need to use the choke.
And on warm up, I have to let it run on choke for a while, in spite of the gas-smoke and sputtering....etc....
The thing pops on de-celeration...this really bugs me. I cannot tell if there is a gasket on the headerpipes coming out of the head....I know this can cause it. They do not seem to be bent in any way......Is this a 'Berg thing...the popping? If so I can live with it.....
 
...Now about that button.....

I am willing to make modifications to get the button working, for cold starts, too.....
Do I need the starter from the R-6? Will this do it? My brother just got an 07 Berg, and the button works on his, hot or cold....
Is there any way? Is it a hopeless endeavor? If so I can give it up. but I just got rid of a husky thumper that had only a button...how nice......I miss it already.....
 
RE: ...Now about that button.....

I had a fx 470 fast and fun bike. I'd get it running well off the kick starter before try to replace stuff on the estart. Tune up the carb and check valves. Its a good idea to take good look at the top end.
 
e-start...

Well it seems that that is the path of least resistance......I am using this bike mainly for my Dual Sport bike, which is why I wanted the e-start, but I guess I can live without it.
The thing has gobs of power,and does not smoke a bit, but is noisy. What with the chain slap going on, it is hard to tell what is engine, and what is not....
I have been reading about what to look for.....
 
Ok, by now you have read "the doc" and found out the the down side to owning an 01 bike.
My recommendations.
YTZ7 battery
R6 starter
updated decompression device"dutch clog"
Sparks rewound stator
carb mod to Lineaweaver specs, see the link below
http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?name= ... ight=slide
update the starter sprag if needed

This is what I would/have done.
8 years of other peoples blood sweat and tears in a nut shell
 
ken

i've never recommended the lineaweaver carb settings for a standard bike nor have i or you tried them i don't believe? joeusa put those numbers up for a TUNED bike. so to this day i only ever recommend it for anyone fitting at least an '08' or lx1 or lx2 cam?

also you don't upgrade the sprague but instead modify it. and finally, the sparks stator isn't necassary until your OEM is shagged out. if looking to avoid that day happening then yes, change it, but that's avoiding a problem and not a problem with starting.

two different things!

be careful what you wish for....

regards

Taffy
 
http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?name= ... highlight=

As stated above - get it going easy off the kick first - valves / dutch clog / jetting / crescent mod & stator in my case.

I've just put in a brand new MF CTZ7S (2nd one actually as 1st wouldn't hold a charge - does happen apparently & shop replaced it without hassle even after 2 months - cheers JB). Any how spent a day at the local MX track yesterday - 20min on / 20min off all day. Started from cold off the button (having not been started all week) / started all day off button & still maintained 13v by the time I got home.

I have the stock starter still installed.
 
Taffy said:
ken

i've never recommended the lineaweaver carb settings for a standard bike nor have i or you tried them i don't believe? joeusa put those numbers up for a TUNED bike. so to this day i only ever recommend it for anyone fitting at least an '08' or lx1 or lx2 cam?

also you don't upgrade the sprague but instead modify it. and finally, the sparks stator isn't necassary until your OEM is shagged out. if looking to avoid that day happening then yes, change it, but that's avoiding a problem and not a problem with starting.

two different things!

be careful what you wish for....

regards

Taffy
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As far as the carb mods, my 501 carb was massaged by DL. I have opened it up and as far as I can tell the specs are pretty much what Joe is running. The carb seems to work well with the stock cam. Ease of starting and a diminished hit seem to be the advantage. No real world testing done by me, just more of a casual observation.
As far as the stator goes, I guaranty the bike will start easier with the sparks rewind as I will guaranty the stock SEM stator will eventually take a digger probably sooner than later.
I would probably save the carb work for last.
The sprag was only if needed, and yes you can modify the old one if you are handy and so inclined. I believe that is in "the doc" as well,yes?

And then we have the standard disclaimer. All of this is just my opinion, and as always.....I could be full of B.S. (I wouldn't count on the B.S. part though).
By the way, I have been through the trials and tribulations of an 01 FX470E
 
kickstarter

Is it easy to increase the kickstart lever return spring tension? I know on a Husky this is a simple thing. It is a little weak at returning, but it does it. I would rather have a good snap back.
Mike
 
Not that I know of. Just make sure the kickstart lever is indexed properly(someone may have removed the lever and it is a spline or 2 off). Make sure it spring loaded against the plastic stop in the case.
 
You guys have been great to a newbie....

You guys have been great to entertain a newbie like me. Just so you know, I am 45, I have been riding a long time. I am a fairly accomplished rider, but am self employed and the only breadwinner at my house, with 3 kids, so racing is something I just cannot do very much of. The last race I entered I ran in Senior B, and did decent, while being careful not to crash....
In recent years I have had husqvarna wr 360, Husqvarna TC 250, Husqvarna WR 250, RM 250, .....If I lived out west the Husky 360 would have been more fun, but in tight woods, 60 h.p. is insane, on a 225lb. bike, with only marginal suspension.
The RM 250 is for sale now on ebay, and is sweet. I hate to get rid of it....Gonna keep the YZ 250 for a while for my 15 year old daughter to ride.....The Berg is dual sport for me...I cannot imagine taking that thing into any woods situation even slightly resembling single trak !!! OMG !!!!....But without question, the Suzuki RM 250 is the best handling, best turning bike I have ever owned, and feather light......
Again, thanks guys, and for sure I will have more questions about this 'Berg....
Mike
 
RE: You guys have been great to a newbie....

Incidentally......I have got starting down to an art form....lol......I choke it, pull the manual comp. release, kick it over 7 or 8 times, then release manual decomp., kick it good, and it will probably start. No prob. And of course, I have to let the kickstart lever come all the way up, to engage the decomp. internal......lol....You can stand on the freakin kickstarter with no decompression !!!!!!!!! Hot starts are no prob.
Mike
 
My starting drill was pull in the manual decomp, kick 5 times with the throttle open. Bring it up to TDC and let er rip. I use the technique hot and cold.
 
Starting cold is another thing.....Took the bike to Loretta Lynns Fall Ride this year.....only as a street bike. Then I broke the clutch cable on my Husky...so I decided to fire up the Berg and go for a lap in the woods....took forever to get it cranked. But once I got it cranked, it ran like a top. I am beginning to think it is impossible to flood this bike, so I am going to start kicking with throttle open. Maybe even pump it a few times. I guess this thing does have a pump in carb, to give it that extra fuel to void bogging? The suspension was totally freaked...finally got it all dialed in, and it was a hoot. Still a lot more bike than my WR 250 HUSKY, but then it is supposed to be. My guess is this thing will run 100 mph plus.....it is insane. I never got over 30 or 40 in the woods, but I also never got out of 3rd gear, and that was lugging it......I cannot believe how well this bike lugs.....wow.....Monster hills at loretta's were a non issue. I did have an issue with tire spin, but I think it is the medium michelin tire..that thing is hard as concrete...gotta go.....A nice Maxxis will d0.......
Anyway, I have got to get the electric start working....It is just a must. I have a decent machine shop in my garage, and if that is not enough, we have a motorcycle machine shop here in Memphis...this guy can do anything...He is also the local Husqvarna dealer. I hope he don't get pissed when I roll the Berg in there !!!!!
 
a husky mechanic does not a husaberg mechanic make. caveat emptor
 
ned37 said:
a husky mechanic does not a husaberg mechanic make. caveat emptor
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This I know.....He is a machinist, and services all makes...I have no idea if he knows anything about this thing though.....I am going to have to just ask outright. :shock:

Mike
 

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