Spark size / cap resistance

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Greetings lads,

How "fat" would you guys says a spark should be to be up to spec? It's a bit hard to put a size on a spark, I suppose, but please try! My spark is bright blue / white in colour, so that looks fine, but it's awfully thin. Another guy that looked at it also thinks it doesn't look fat enough.

I've read somewhere that one shouldn't combine a resistive spark plug with a resistive plug cap. I've got a DCPR8E plug, just like the manual suggests, and some cap that just says NGK. The plug measures 4 kOhm and the cap is a 5 kOhm one. Will this affect my spark intensity?

Could you recommend a good spark plug (seems to be easier to find locally than a cap that will fit) without resistance?

Thanks,
Chris
 
it is normal to use a resister plug with a resister plug cap.
A quick check for spark strength is to verify that the spark will jump a 8mm gap
you can use any number of small engine adjustable gap tools...motion pro make an affordable one and is available at most bike shops.
 
I'm glad to see you around NSMAN!

Try the DCPR8EIX, stock number 6546 with the non removable top.

Are you having any trouble?
 
nsman said:
it is normal to use a resister plug with a resister plug cap.
A quick check for spark strength is to verify that the spark will jump a 8mm gap
you can use any number of small engine adjustable gap tools...motion pro make an affordable one and is available at most bike shops.
Maybe it's fine then. But wouldn't a lower resistance mean a higher current, which seems to me that it should produce a fatter spark (but for a shorter time, maybe)? And I've been thinking of seeing how far it can jump, but is it safe to do? I've read in several places that cranking with the spark plug ungrounded might damage the SEM, so wouldn't trying it with a gap bigger than it can handle be the same thing?

DaleEO said:
Try the DCPR8EIX, stock number 6546 with the non removable top.

Are you having any trouble?
Great, I'll try that then! Can't hurt. And yes, it's a total ***** to start, haven't actually managed to start it at all for a while. Maybe just bad my starting technique though. Anyway, I'm going for a total checkup, got a rewound stator from taffy as the old one was bust, and just cleaned out the carb. So I guess the next thing on my list will be the valve clearances... but I will make it work!
 
I believe there is a hard start guide in the owners Doc, that's Taffy's baby along with a lot of help from Maddel.

Lot's of great info in the doc. Anytime the bike has a hard time starting one of the first things to check if it has been a while, over 20 hours since the last, is to check the valves.

How many hours you got on your bike?
 
I've glanced at that guide, seems I have to go back and read it thoroughly!

Today I adjusted the valves, not sure how good of a job I did considering it was my first time ever hehe. And the gasket for the exhaust valve inspection lid came off in pieces, guess I have to order a new one.

I'm not sure about the hours, the previous owner didn't know, in fact he didn't seem to know much at all, so I'm not sure how well this bike's been maintaned.

The bike still doesn't start after the valve adjustment. So now I've got a new stator, cleaned carb, adjusted valves (I hope). I get a spark and the spark plug gets wet, so at least there's some gas going in, seems to me it should be starting now. Didn't give it too many kicks today though as I'm having a bit of a cold. It does feel lighter on the kicker than it did when I bought it, maybe I installed my new manual decomp wire improperly, but I think it should be fine.

Any ideas? Guess I'll just try to kick it until either it starts or my leg starts hurting!
 
Do you have the manuals for this bike? If not, let me know and I will email them to you.

Did you adjust the valves on the TDC on the commpression stroke?

The auto decomp wire should have about 3mm of play, when the motor is on TDC on the compression stroke.

Where is the fuel screw set at? A good starting point is at 1 & 1/4 turns out from lightly seated. Are you using the choke when you try and start it? Unless the stock choke jet has been changed, using the choke may deliver too much fuel.

Dale
 
Yep I got a bunch of papers including part receipts and stuff like that, including the manuals, but thanks! (also found the manuals on husaberg.com, useful for printing exploded views on A3 paper!)

Yeah, or well, close to TDC at least. I assume both intake and exhaust valves are closed for a better part of the crank shaft revolution around ignition. I think I'm gonna redo the exhausts though, without the radiator for better accesss + going to disconnect the decomp and remove the spring completely, that should make sure the decomp doesn't interfere right?

I've got the fuel screw set at 1½ turns like the manual suggests, I've also tried 2 turns. So you're saying that a leaner mixture might be better? I've tried both with and without the choke. The jet is original as far as I know, would getting the right one be beneficial to starting?
 
lantz said:
Yep I got a bunch of papers including part receipts and stuff like that, including the manuals, but thanks! (also found the manuals on husaberg.com, useful for printing exploded views on A3 paper!)

Yeah, or well, close to TDC at least. I assume both intake and exhaust valves are closed for a better part of the crank shaft revolution around ignition. I think I'm gonna redo the exhausts though, without the radiator for better accesss + going to disconnect the decomp and remove the spring completely, that should make sure the decomp doesn't interfere right?

I've got the fuel screw set at 1½ turns like the manual suggests, I've also tried 2 turns. So you're saying that a leaner mixture might be better? I've tried both with and without the choke. The jet is original as far as I know, would getting the right one be beneficial to starting?

Yes, the correct choke jet will help greatly in starting, in general they were too big and delivered too much fuel. Check the owners Doc for the correct size.

Decomp: Your bike has two external decomps right? One on the bar and one on the kick starter. Since you have the manual make sure that they are adjusted properly. You will want to loosen them both up when you check the valves so that it is not interfering with your adjustment procedure.

Valve Adjustment: There lot's of threads here talking about it but, I'll give a quick over view. Take off the ignition cover to begin with so you can get a wrench on the flywheel nut for fine adjustment later. Take out the spark plug. Take off the valve covers. Loosen the external decomp wires (you also have an auto decompressor on the cam since yours is an electric start). Using the kick starter slowly push the motor through it's stroke, you will see the intakes open, and then the motor will roll over and come up on the compression stroke and you will hear a chuff out the plug hole. As you keep rolling the motor over with the kick starter, you will see the exhausts open, and then just as they are almost closed you will see the intakes open-this is TDC on the exhaust stroke and is where most folks have trouble because this not the TDC where you want to set the valves. As you continue to push the kick starter the intakes will then close and the motor will roll over again, and you'll hear the chuff out the exhaust, THIS is the piston coming up on the compression stroke.

Now, put a long ty wrap in the plug hole and turn the flywheel with your hand or a wrench, and watch the ty wrap push out of the hole or start to drop in, adjust the crank with the flywheel until the piston is at it's highest point and you will be there. DO NOT USE ANYTHING MADE OF METAL, OR A PENCIL TO PUT IN THE PLUG HOLE. It also needs to be a lot longer than you think might be necessary to keep it from falling into the cylinder if you crank the motor around and the piston falls down to the bottom of the stroke. That's an old story from one of our members who used a pencil and it fell into the motor.

Now adjust your valves to spec, and don't move the motor. Put everything back together, and then set the play on the engine mounted or kick starter decompresser cable first. You can actuate the decomp lever by hand and feel it touch the exhaust rocker, just to get an idea of how it feels. Adjust the free play according to the manual. I think it's 3mm's. Then adjust the bar mounted decomp cable. Once you have done this put the tank back on, and recheck the decomp free play to make sure the bar mounted cable didn't get kinked and is pulling on the decomp actuator. Turn the bars full left and check, and then turn them full right and check. The only time you'll be using the bar mounted lever is when you flood it in a tip over or something, and need to kick the motor through several times to clear it.

Starting: When you kick start the bike, push the kick starter down, and roll the motor through a couple of times with out letting the lever come up more than half way. You will hear the intake stroke through the carb, and feel the engine hit TDC on compression. Now let the kick starter come all the way to the top, and you will hear a click, that is the sound of the kick start mounted decompressor resetting itself. Now give it a good kick from there. Always let the kick start lever come all the way to the top before kicking. The auto decompressor should take care of all of this, but, these earlier bikes had some issues with that not always working correctly, and Taffy came up with the "Dutch Clog" modification to the auto decompressor to ensure proper lift of the auto decompressor during electric and kick starting.

Hope this helps,

Dale
 
A new choke jet it is then! The owner's doc also says that husas suffer from a worn atomizer and needle, which carb parts are those? Needle jet & needle?

And well, my bike only has the manual decomp. The manual says it should have the kickstart operated one too, but there's no sight of it! I checked it out on the drawings and I can't even find those parts on my bike. Though the parts where the wire should connect at the cylinder head is there. Are there models of the 650 without this decomp or am I just missing something?

Thanks for the instructions! That's roughly how I did it, I think. But I will redo it for sure. Is it a good idea to remove the upper part of the cylinder head for easier access or is this more work than it's worth? Going to drain the coolant anyway...

I've tried finding the right position before kicking, sometimes it works but sometimes it just comes to a really hard stop in the middle of the kick. I suppose this is just the compression? Feels impossible to kick past, and it really hurts my foot hehe.

By the way, thanks for all your help so far!
 

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