New info on 09 Husabergs

But there's a difference... the Highlander will never see a scale.

Parsko said:

Efficiency - FI always wins. Precise, controlled fuel delivery. Plus, you only supply fuel when the engine wants it (aka, every other revolution, versus every revolution with a carb). Off throttle, no fuel with FI(except low RPM's), fuel still delivered with a carb.

Kickstarter - If you think it is still needed, why haven't they been used on street bikes for the past 20 years?!?!?!?

Re: altitude compensation. The map sensor does this automatically. This cannot ever be done with a carb (easily, that is).

Taff, all due respect, let the carb go. A carb simply can't win in the long run.

-Parsko.

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You will only draw fuel through the carb when inlet valves are open,and they are only open every other revolution.

On a road bike it really doesnt matter that you dont have a kick starter when you break down,just call the recovery services.
something thats a little hard to do when on the trail,besides i wouldnt like to kick start the new ducati's or zx6rr :wink:

From my experiance of FI they're a pain when they go wrong,my old gasser had no map sensor or even a T-MAP,its just a very basic map,you still have to richen or lean as you would with a carb bike if rode at differing heights/alts.

things like adjusting throttle cable will alter the way the bikes start and ride.
engine coolant sensors can just stop working leaving you imobilised.

and if you drop this into water then if frys the batters and burns the PCM circiuts.

Husaberg 2000, 105 kg, (kick start only model).
Husaberg 2009, 112 kg, (e-start only).
Almost a kg added per year, that is development for you. :twisted:

Smorgasbord said:

The Highland 450 MX weighs 103 Kg. Husaberg have still got some work on the to do list...

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I guarantee that the 09 Berg will come to the market. The same cannot be said about Highland.

I did here a rumour from a credible source in the industry that BMW was going to buy Highland and merge it with Husqvarna.

A Highland 450 has been running in the Swedish Sumo champs all year long. Not a single DNF due to the bike but some heavy work between races have been seen. Martin Lind, formerly 'Berg enduro and SuMo god, rode it to a 5th place over all with just some 3p up to 3rd.

http://www.martin-lind.com/
Take a look at http://jsfoto.com/galleri.htm for pics from Swedish SuMo. The bike with #121 is Martin on the Highland.

For instance this one


And if you see a slow looking guy with #86 on the bike it's me

raising the efi topic again. i'v just read a test of the '08 rmz 450 and the efi has come out as the best thing since sliced bread.
so thats the rm 450 and husky range all fitted with efi and all being ab fab. is see a trend, and whats the common link?

efi.

Scott said:

Smorgasbord said:

The Highland 450 MX weighs 103 Kg. Husaberg have still got some work on the to do list...

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I guarantee that the 09 Berg will come to the market. The same cannot be said about Highland.

I did here a rumour from a credible source in the industry that BMW was going to buy Highland and merge it with Husqvarna.

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It's just that I expected that the omission of a second starting device would make the bike lighter, which it did in the 2000 Husaberg as well as in the Highlander 450 case. These were just thought of as examples of that bikes CAN save weight by having just one single starting device rather than two.
A simpler way of saying the same thing is that a little less weight would make the Husaberg 2009 even more attractive.
The efi, yes, I want it too.

cypher said:

raising the efi topic again. i'v just read a test of the '08 rmz 450 and the efi has come out as the best thing since sliced bread.
so thats the rm 450 and husky range all fitted with efi and all being ab fab. is see a trend, and whats the common link?

efi.

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Hey Cypher,

Where did you read the test on the RMZ?

When looking at the 09 Husaberg, we have to realize that the old principles of motorcycle engineering have been changed. "IF" the production 09 bike is heavy by today's standards, it will still perform better due to the change in the engine configuration. They can make the bike lighter than the prototype and will. But the emphasis given to the value of the bike due to its weight and the new EFI is, I think unjust. EFI will be std on all 09 motorcycles, so like it or not, we have it. The 09 works better than the current factory bikes, even though its may be heavier, and have std suspension and brakes. Wait till the bike is refined for production. And at the factory level, I can't wait to see the speed improvement of the riders.

yes but fry, the lunatics are running the asylum mate?

i mean, they tell you to have soft suspension and then they add 15mm and 25mm respectively to their two works riders headstocks two seasons ago? the quote from Per is that it was to stop diving on the front! well i have read the suspension numbers you run and they are very soft. soft. diving. diiving. soft. mmmm? there is a connection here? there is only so much valving will save you from!

in connection with this "diving", i hope someone will help me by getting a link to it: bjorn carlsson and jaochim lundqvist were shown in a video rattling round a farmer's field a couple of seasons ago. carlsson sits up at the headstock, brakes on a sixpence in the middle of this feild and the whole front end is buried to the stops! mental!

secondly, they are recommending 178MJ to that belgiun ******* bloke when he asked the factory!!! i'll just say that again. 1. 7. 8. ahuu!

now i trust the engineers, beside the fact that there isn't a part of the engine i owned in 2001 that wasn't a phuq up, yeh! i'm ecstatic! kickstart plate, cam (several), followers, rockers, decomps by the dozen, tuliped valves, camwheels, chain guides, chain tensioner spring, chain tensioner knob, still no reserve, useless electrics, mains problems big time, snapped cranks, oil level, overheating, exhaust to tyre, speedos that didn't leave the friggin yard before they's snapped! i mean the list is endless. rocker cover leaks, one breather, two breathers, no - one breather! water pump. no let's just shut up there. woahhhh!

yeh i trust em! :crazy: :crazy:

this time fry, if they phuck up, we can't sort this one out for ourselves. are they ready for that?

i need you to get me in that factory so i can burst their balloons! (LOL) :williamshatter: :williamshatter:

regards

Taffy

DaleEO said:

cypher said:

raising the efi topic again. i'v just read a test of the '08 rmz 450 and the efi has come out as the best thing since sliced bread.
so thats the rm 450 and husky range all fitted with efi and all being ab fab. is see a trend, and whats the common link?

efi.

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Hey Cypher,

Where did you read the test on the RMZ?

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uk weekly called trials and motorcross news (tmx)

Yes, there is still A LOT on the to do list and they are going to do it this time, I'm sure, with the resources they have now. Keep up the fantastic work, lads.


They are going to be great.

" Hey Roland, I'm sending the Sherco spy over to share some ideas." I wonder what he'll say

actually, I should have said " Roland, the loony bin is sending the Sherco spy over for tea"

and after i'd visited..... he'd say hmmmm! he seemed normal to US!

regards

Taffy

come on let it go!!!

The carb its gone, like in cars, I do not miss my old renault 18, having to pull the choke every morning and back fireing for 2 blocks, come on that smell the carbs make all because the gas is not completly burn, going hi altitud its a pain always the engine is missing, I do not feel that happening on my GLI fsi engine, cold starts come on where is the choke, just a turn on the key that is it the rpms go high and then after a few seconds that is it.

Let it goo, changes are for good, or you will start to sound like my grandpa, come on....

kez said:

Parsko said:

Efficiency - FI always wins. Precise, controlled fuel delivery. Plus, you only supply fuel when the engine wants it (aka, every other revolution, versus every revolution with a carb). Off throttle, no fuel with FI(except low RPM's), fuel still delivered with a carb.

Kickstarter - If you think it is still needed, why haven't they been used on street bikes for the past 20 years?!?!?!?

Re: altitude compensation. The map sensor does this automatically. This cannot ever be done with a carb (easily, that is).

Taff, all due respect, let the carb go. A carb simply can't win in the long run.

-Parsko.

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You will only draw fuel through the carb when inlet valves are open,and they are only open every other revolution.

On a road bike it really doesnt matter that you dont have a kick starter when you break down,just call the recovery services.
something thats a little hard to do when on the trail,besides i wouldnt like to kick start the new ducati's or zx6rr :wink:

From my experiance of FI they're a pain when they go wrong,my old gasser had no map sensor or even a T-MAP,its just a very basic map,you still have to richen or lean as you would with a carb bike if rode at differing heights/alts.

things like adjusting throttle cable will alter the way the bikes start and ride.
engine coolant sensors can just stop working leaving you imobilised.

and if you drop this into water then if frys the batters and burns the PCM circiuts.

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or you will start to sound like my grandpa

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and just what's wrong with that, young fella :backinmyday:

I like the idea of an EFI in the 09 Berg. And I hope to get one in 09 or 10.

I am busy now wearing down a YZ and a CRF first I guess.
But the complete re-engineering at Husaberg is exciting.
And if it comes through KTM that is OK for me.
The best KTM dealer in the country is 2 km from my house...

Json,

Could we make this thread a stickie in this forum until the 2009 makes it's debut?

Dale

ned37 said:

or you will start to sound like my grandpa

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and just what's wrong with that, young fella :backinmyday:

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I do not intend to be rude, I am almost 40, but give it a break¡¡¡ for good its gone, and is not returning that is for shure, I don´t think the new mitsubishi evo X will have a webber¡¡¡¡ jajajaja.

cheers