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RE: USA Street legal?
With EFI the 09 bikes should be easier to CARB/EPA certify for the US market.
It's not a slam dunk but hopefully KTM/Berg will kick down the thousands of dollars to submit the bike for certification. Having a license plate option for these bikes would certainly improve sales.
With EFI the 09 bikes should be easier to CARB/EPA certify for the US market.
It's not a slam dunk but hopefully KTM/Berg will kick down the thousands of dollars to submit the bike for certification. Having a license plate option for these bikes would certainly improve sales.
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I bet it will be alot more difficult for Rick to design a larger tank for these. Hopefully the more efficient FI will yeild decent range.
I´m wondering if there will be an available software or anything like that for the customer if he wants to change the mapping. For the exhaust for example. Or will i have to go the the local dealer for everything concirning the injection. That´ll be hard. The next dealer is about 80 km away. Anyone heard anything about power and torque of the engine???
As i already wrote a dealer from swiss recently starts removing the injection on the new LC 4 to get the power and performance of the engine he was looking for.
As i already wrote a dealer from swiss recently starts removing the injection on the new LC 4 to get the power and performance of the engine he was looking for.
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as you don't believe me - not being a yank and all that i'll just remiond you that a carb can be tuned to be as good if not better than furl injection. not my words but
DALE LINEAWEAVER'S.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OFTEN YOU TELL SOME PEOPLE - THEY WON'T LISTEN!
regards
Taffy
DALE LINEAWEAVER'S.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW OFTEN YOU TELL SOME PEOPLE - THEY WON'T LISTEN!
regards
Taffy
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Fuel-Injection means software and software can be updated.
It's a Keihin throttle body but I wonder which fuel injector and which ECU control box will be used. Keihin makes all of these components.
http://www.keihin-corp.co.jp/english/pr ... index.html
Any modern ECU can be remapped. I just hope they make ECU access easy with a simple USB connector and downloadable software. Some ECU vendors lock their software requiring a license key. Let's hope this is not the case.
It's a Keihin throttle body but I wonder which fuel injector and which ECU control box will be used. Keihin makes all of these components.
http://www.keihin-corp.co.jp/english/pr ... index.html
Any modern ECU can be remapped. I just hope they make ECU access easy with a simple USB connector and downloadable software. Some ECU vendors lock their software requiring a license key. Let's hope this is not the case.
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Taffy said:
calm down taff
most people just get on the thing and ride , not knowing any different .
be it carb or furl injection
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Taffy said:
I'd agree to a certain extent. The problem with carbs is that you only have a few jets with which to adjust. This will leave gaps. FI eliminates any potential gaps. Plus, you can tune your bike on the fly, should you need to (aka, no removing the carb, or any other bits to get to the carb).
I HIGHLY doubt that the software will be open source. I would gander that we will need to shell out around $300 for the software, and maybe more for the hardware to connect. The reason is that it is really easy to screw up your bike VERY quickly once you have access. In a few minutes you could lean your bike out and explode it.Sure, the same exists for carb'd bikes, but most of the time with a carb'd bike, your just trying to get it to run smoothly, not trying to get the most performance out. By charging peopel, you eliminate the average dudes who don't know any better from blwoing their bike up because they were curious. The dudes who DO know what they are doing are more likely to be the dudes that pay the extra cost, and subsequently, not blow up their new $10k bike.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but look to GasGas as a model for how it will be done with Husaberg. It may not be executed the same, but the overall concepts will be applied (like making money off software that costs nothing to supply!)
I would also guess that access to the ECU will be pretty easy. The dealers will need access, so they can't close it off completely. It iwll likely be a proprietary interface, not USB (though I have my fingers crossed!)
Another thing. There won't be any O2 sensor for feedback, so everything will be closed loop. So, any changes will be (in effect) the same as changing a jet to another size. The production ECU's normally will have less functions built in due to cost and needed functionality.
Once the bike is in tune, there will not be any need to change anything. The bike should simply run. FI will allow for a more smooth (aka customized to the bike) power delivery. For instance, one could tune a 650 to be good in the woods on tight wet gnarly stuff that a carbed 650 might not be able to handle due to the excessive power available.
I'm looking forward to knowing more about the system they are using!!!
-Parsko
It seems the concern with fuel injection has always been that one can not quite get that same transition /progression from lower to mid RPM as with a carb and the carb usually shows higher low down torque figures than individual throttle body using ONE injector.
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Whilst myself and a group of AUSSIE dealers were at the factory before the 09 release we spent considerable time with the Husaberg engineers and they said that you will be able to purchase a tool to download different mapping for the EFI, it will be similar to a gameboy machine.Parsko said:
The cost was not discussed nor was how you can download new mapping but i gathered by the way they explained it would be a simple task.
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Taffy said:
Okay, I stand corrected, technically. But I'm not interested in changing jets and adjusting my carb when the elevation, temperature, air pressure, humidity. . . .etc changes during a ride. Presently, I don't know how well this new EFI works, but It should be a step in the right direction for most riders, even most Husaberg riders. I'm pretty sure fuel efficiency had something to do with the auto manufactures going to EFI, or am I wrong?
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well it's certainly a trade off! until now you could rejet your bike yourself at a reasoable cost and time. several have done it but it wasn't easy for non-mechaincal types -ask bigbob!
thing is, the less mechanically inclined will still be at everyone's mercy again and for me well, i have to buy a special tool that can only be used on one bike!
i don't know what makes manufacturerrs think they can sail closer to the correct jetting than with a carb? i'm genuinly perplexed by it. i run a 145MJ and that is at sea level. if i went up to 4,000ft plus i would need to lean it off even more!
so i'd like my jetting checked for emmisions next to their Fi bikes: it would be very interesting!
regards
Taffy
thing is, the less mechanically inclined will still be at everyone's mercy again and for me well, i have to buy a special tool that can only be used on one bike!
i don't know what makes manufacturerrs think they can sail closer to the correct jetting than with a carb? i'm genuinly perplexed by it. i run a 145MJ and that is at sea level. if i went up to 4,000ft plus i would need to lean it off even more!
so i'd like my jetting checked for emmisions next to their Fi bikes: it would be very interesting!
regards
Taffy
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if manufactures really thought that they could meet forth coming emmissions reg with carbs im sure they would stick with them.
the switch to efi will be influenced to 1 degree or another by many factors including image and for most people jetting is a mysterious world on par with voodoo.
for those that want to im sure you can pull the efi from the new bike and retro fit a carb.
me ill be just riding it.
the switch to efi will be influenced to 1 degree or another by many factors including image and for most people jetting is a mysterious world on par with voodoo.
for those that want to im sure you can pull the efi from the new bike and retro fit a carb.
me ill be just riding it.
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I actually have simple jet changes and needle clips moves down pat, But athough I understand dale's kit that extra trail and error effort with the adjustible air jet pretty much did me in. It's not that I can't learn to be more mechanically incline, it's more I'm lazy. Still with a Carb at least I'm responsible for my destiny........
EFI? I worry, will I be slave to the stock set up?...which may be choked off, de- tuned and all that?
EFI? I worry, will I be slave to the stock set up?...which may be choked off, de- tuned and all that?
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Taffy said:
after 40 hrs on the fe550e I'm really ready to start droping that main jet down. it runs great in my elevation zone and temps spread, not fluffy or too rich..... but I know it can be so much brighter because when its real cold low 40s oh my then my bike leaps and bounds up the trails.
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