Fi and Ignition mapping

has anyone found a mapping/diagnostic sotware for re-mapping both the ignition and Fi on the Husaberg?

I believe that there may be an Australian company doing this?

I guess Vortex come into it? I'm looking to get more involved in this now.

regards

Taffy

Vortex is the only one that I know of. Tuneboy and the others I could find nothing for the Berg, KTM yes but no Berg stuff. May be the same but from what I know the Berg stuff is the early generation and does not allow much adjustment with the stock ECU. The Vortex is completely adjustable and the stuff, used it now for the last 4 bikes. I have it on my FS663 and the programming software to make adjustments - plug and play - AWESOME!

rallyraidproducts here in the Uk use the Tuneboy I think, are they Australian as well? They specialise in the KTM690 which is Fi.

what makes the Fi early generation?

there's an ignition specialist here in the UK that does a curve for a fully tuned 580KTM but I never got round to testing with him. the 630s are getting old now and the arse has dropped out the market these last 12-Months.

regards

Taffy

A German guy I was talking with who specializes in Husaberg efi conversions for older carbed bikes and 70deg motor mods was selling also a fully standalone ecu for around 700€.

I think I need to get that ecu one day unless less expensive options start popping up.

the costs are still phenominal and not worth it for the returns if in business. I think with the KTMs going EFi things will change now.

regards

Taffy

Bazzaz will be offering a plug and play module for the Husabergs very soon.

My bike has been at Bazzaz Performance for a little while so they could develop a plug and play module for our Husabergs.
I now have the ability to switch between two fuel maps, on the fly, and also modify these maps on my computer.
I'm stoked to have this added ability, for me the two maps will be one for more power, one for better fuel milage. I'm going to go hit the trails/road soon and will follow up with some thoughts to what this system does for the Husa. I haven't changed the two maps Bazzaz made, I wanted to go check them out before messing with one of them to get better fuel economy, but I did back them up to my Mac.
The 2 maps from Bazzaz has one for best performance with the ignition timing switch in normal, one is for best performance with the ignition switch in Wild mode.

While it was away at Bazzaz, my bike also took a trip to FMF for them to refine the fitment of their exhaust systems on our Husa's, a FMF Powercore 4 is the exhaust Bazzaz tuned the bike with.


I have invited Jason to join in on this forum, the mad scientist behind this tuning to shed some insight on what they did, and what they found on the Husa. Hopefully I'll get the Dyno report soon too.




















Map switch on the left










Where all the magic happens at the Bazzaz shop




http://www.bazzaz.net

Bazzaz is pretty nice for a piggyback box on sport/road bikes. But that unit still won't allow timing changes, and it's a piggyback unit after all, so you keep the oem ecu + bazzaz box somewhere where you can stuff it and wires going to injector and tps + some others (ground, power).

I bought the FP-engineering standalone ECU, we'll see how it works. Timing, Fueling, rev limit change, launch control, shift light, built-in quickshifter + many other options in it and a simple yet advanced enough software. Had to make space for it as it's enormous in size compared to stock ECU, and the outputs it has needs to be routed neatly under the seat without any kinks.

New ECU question in old thread

I know this is an old thread but seems closest to the question I have: Is there another Keihin ECU that could be swapped in that has full aftermarket fuel and ignition tuning capability? For example what about the 690 or one of the Honda MX bike ECUs? It would be great to take advantage of the software that already exists and not have to do major wiring surgery.

I have tuned ECUs on cars and on Cannondale motorcycles (they allowed full tuning of fuel and ignition and had a realtime map select option back in 2002). I was hoping to find something with similar capability for this bike besides the expensive Vortex option.

So far I only know 3 plug n play solutions.

-Vortex
-Ignijet from FP
-GET by Athena (for ktm 350's, although not 100% verified.)

Piggybacks are non-existent for our ecus and triggering patterns.

Thanks for the reply. It's too bad - I like to play around with parameters and it isn't easy or inexpensive with my new bike. It is strange that it is more difficult to get information for Keihin motorcycle EFI than it is for automotive applications.

I guess the good news is once all of the filter/injector and fuel pump issues are dealt with they can run well and are durable.

FX mapping for FE???

Is this something anyone has done or are familiar with?

re Berg ecu mapping 2012 FE570
so what Iam told is its a KTM part same as used by 450's etc
look on the ECU unit it has EXE1001 as part of the code (guess where that comes from) and has a high degree of programming ability (but you need factory unlock code)
plus there is a separate map for the ACRO slip on (which is a KTM hard part)

the standard muffler had many baffles and just putting an Acro slip on without remapping ..well..apparently some of the mapping changes on a scale of 10 go from 2 to 8 of the scale, it makes that much difference .........

about to get mine remapped, so we will see (supposed to rip my arms out of me sockets .....can't wait)

Itsa said:

re Berg ecu mapping 2012 FE570
so what Iam told is its a KTM part same as used by 450's etc
look on the ECU unit it has EXE1001 as part of the code (guess where that comes from) and has a high degree of programming ability (but you need factory unlock code)
plus there is a separate map for the ACRO slip on (which is a KTM hard part)

the standard muffler had many baffles and just putting an Acro slip on without remapping ..well..apparently some of the mapping changes on a scale of 10 go from 2 to 8 of the scale, it makes that much difference .........

about to get mine remapped, so we will see (supposed to rip my arms out of me sockets .....can't wait)

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Keen to hear how this pans out for you. I have the same bike but with a full fmf system. I run a small baffle to keep it as quiet as possible (off road), but the trade off is less response low down and bloody flame outs!

Keep us updated please!

View attachment UserSettingToolInstructionManual_69029096140.pdf

FWIW, The ecu is the same for sure as it is noted to go to Husaberg website to download software. so for those looking this is what you want.

“The UST (User Setting Tool) is an advanced tuning tool for the KTM EFI system; it’s a tool that allows a wide range of adjustment for fuelling and ignition settings. The UST is available for the customer to purchase through KTM’s Power Parts catalogue. Some of our dealerships have also purchased the tool and are offering a tuning service. The UST will not unlock any additional horsepower on a standard bike, but it will change the power delivery and character.

Where the tool will be most useful is for the mechanic that has modified the motor (for example, raised the compression ratio, dialled in the camshafts, flowed the cylinder head, etc). In this instance, the tool will offer the ability to tune the standard mapping to the new motor configuration and quite possibly increase the horsepower.

"For the rider with a standard bike, the Map Selector Switch is a far simpler and effective way to offer three differing power delivery characteristics at the flick of a switch."

“The software for the tool is available for free from KTM’s international site (KTM - READY TO RACE) and is available in 32- and 64-bit versions. Included in the download are the drivers, and some sample adjustments for the 250/350SX-F models for both a more aggressive power delivery or softer power delivery.
It would require some computer knowledge to successfully use this tool as it is an advanced program that offers a very wide range of adjustment. As such, once the tool has been connected to your bike, it will void your warranty.

“For the enthusiast who has a passion for EFI tuning, the UST will offer hours of rewarding tuning capabilities. For the rider who wants to dial in the power curve in his standard bike to suit his riding style, we would suggest the Map Selector Switch is a far simpler and effective way to offer three differing power delivery characteristics at the flick of a switch.”

User Setting Tool
Part number: 69029096140
Model: SX-F 250/350
EXC-F 250/350/450/500
$1033.40

Map Switch
Part number: 77239974000
Model: SX-F 250/350
EXC-F 250/350/450/500
$155.40

Now to find someone to make the diagnostic connector to usb port to work with the drivers.

ok Iam new to Husaberg.org and was expecting a notification when I was quoted etc ...as standard with login, so bit slow to reply..
I have somebody who is very very knowledgeable in this area and is looking into it for me, but has been preoccupied lately and not able to look into it for me just at the moment.

First thoughts are that the ECU does not need to be on the bike to be remapped .this means you can send it anywhere in the world to be remapped or a map that somebody has sorted out can be sent anywhere in the world as well...lots of possibilities here.

It looks like the guy that bought my bike new paid a lot of money for the Acro slip on but the bike did not get the KTM hard part map to suit the KTM Hard part Ex slip on (muffler to us old school blokes) and not knowing the difference all these years.

Currently it is very doughy down low with some backfiring .......
sweet spot low down is roughly between 2 and 4k then revs out nicely.
for a 570cc big bore this really doesn't make any sense.

I will keep you lot in the loop

btw still thinking about my user name ..sort of leads to Itsa Berg.......

If you want hear what it sounds like etc I have Just started a Facebook page about my return to bikes .......I have just posted some vids at the moment and about to add some pics etc as Iam servicing the forks at the moment.
Iam 55, overwieght and got a fair way to go to get to where I want re bike fitness etc......but I havea bike in the shed and Iam not afraid to ride it..

Back in the good old days I had a 86 CR500 which was tuned pretty damn good, hence Iam a bit of a power junkie and long for the good old days.

https://www.facebook.com/A-short-ride-collection-134513480292656/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel

thanks FE 350
here's a quote from the ECU setting tool manual

"1. Functional overview
The User Setting Tool (UST) enables you to adjust your vehicle's injection quantity and ignition timing (KTM Offroad only) to your needs (set-up function). Data from the ECU can be recorded as well (data recording function).
NOTE HUSABERG: The User Setting Tool can only change settings relating to the injection rate. The ignition curve can only be changed via the Map Select switch. Changing the injection rate can only improve rideability and has NO influence on engine power.
- Setup function
This function can be used to change the data of the ECU and load them into the ECU. The available settings are:
- Changing the injection rate over the entire area - Changing the injection rate at individual load points - Acceleration enrichment - Changing the ignition curve (KTM Offroad only)
All of these settings can also be saved as a "KSD" file and, if necessary, written back into the ECU. In this way, the optimal setting can be determined for every operating condition or route and used again when necessary"

I have no idea about this whole mapping thing, but the guy I know does ...so will wait and see.

Itsa Was thinking about get one (UST) but you convinced me not to. Thanks

Rainerio said:

Itsa Was thinking about get one (UST) but you convinced me not to. Thanks

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just wait and see what info I come back with ...its an interesting one

said friend rode a lets say very well setup FE570 in a 3 hour enduro
he reckons he started in 3rd gear and stayed in 3rd the whole race, didn't need to change .........the 570 is the biggest single KTM have made so it makes sense that it should have big power and if setup right big power range as well......

reckons it should rip your arms out ...........but he's not really a big bore fan .

anyway I'll keep things in the loop

Ok lets put this troublesome baby to rest (I was going to start this with **** **** ****)

so Here in Australia June 2016

KTM owns Husaberg and Husqvana
The Dealers have been split up and licences issued, to give a degree of separation
KTM dealers cannot access Husaberg specific parts or access Husabareg ECU's some common parts are shared and can be sold by either dealer
KTM Australia came and took all the old pc units diagnostic tools etc and replaced them according to the licence

this means a KTM Dealer cannot access a Husaberg ECU and certainly cannot access the lock code.

Now I spoke with a Husaberg dealer face to face yesterday and he was saying they are waiting on KTM Australia to give them the instructions and I assume software to be able to access the older Husaberg and Husqvana motorcycles, and said he had spoken to other dealers and they had the same story....waiting for KTM Aust to give them access..............

I spoke to a country Husaberg dealer earlier today and he said the same thing re computers etc had been taken away and replaced, but didn't know if he could diagnose a 70degree berg as the two other tecs who would know were out ..........left number to call back .its now after closing and no call back ........

So at the moment I couldn't get my 2012 570 70degree ECU checked if I wanted to.

So lets get back to the ECU on the 570 ..
its a KTM part its an 001 module which means only injector duration is adjustable (fuel)
So even if there is a map for the Acro Exaust which Iam starting to think is a mythical unicorn..............everybody has heard about it but nobody has seen it.
The ECU needs a code from KTM to unlock it but it can only be accessed by a Husaberg dealer and thats only if they have the equipment, software to do this.
(Husqvana is in the same boat ..the red and white ones..........no software avaliable to access them at the moment...and waiting)

Now talking with the country dealer earlier re KTM'S about half of the bikes they sell the owners pay extra for a free flowing exaust ...............they have never remapped an engine to suit.! (he didn't think they had)............

This is all because the Acro is a free flowing exaust and the standard is heavily baffled and apparently the jetting difference is substantial.

So what to do

here's the answer
Vortex 2D for the Berg 570
its actually 3D
Fuel
ignition timing
Voltage
10 pre set maps and fully programmable
$879 Aud (includes Aus GST and delivery...and yes its a lot of moola in any currency)

Dirt Bike Racing | Motor Bike Engine Accessories | Vortex CDI

I just ordered one today .............done deal, more excited than a puppy with two tails.

This is the combo that was on the bike I was talking about earlier (at that time owned by a former pro level Australian Motocrosser)

there are other piggy back units on the market, but this one adjusts everything not just the fuel delivery, which is also the only thing a remap on the OEM ECU can do, and good luck with that.