Farewell to all.....

Well, about a week ago, i mention that i had milk in my motor, and we all thought that it was the seals (me too, they were infact toasted)......but anywayz, the shop proceded too replace the seal, and still the same problem, coolant in oil......sooooo the bottom line....i bought the bike for 30k and too fix it they said 11k( squeezed my self financially to get the thing, still owe 20k on it)........and there is no way on gods earth that i will do that......they told me that the head is cracked, they can't fix, needs to be replaced.....with valves, exhaust valves....etc..etc..etc.....grand total 11k..... Soooo, I will just leave the bike at there store, nothing i can do????.......REALLY LOVED THE 10 HOURS I had on it......sooooo, was real nice meeting all you guys, and Shonky13.....guess that clears our little barter......i can stick it to my forehead if you want....

I am soooo MAD , and sooo sad.......LIVID right now, but I'll let it go.....So mad right now, I want to be rid of all things bike!!!!!

thanks for everything. Any legal advice will help, cause I feel like a nice big murder - suicide thing!!!!

If I was going to hell, I "wanted" to go on a Husaberg!

I'm struggling a bit with this one and I will be honest and say i did not go back to look at your old posts for the history.

If you rode the bike for 10 hours and it had milk in the engine right away, then to me it sounds like you bought the bike with a cracked head and it just got worst very quick. I tthink in some places you can make a claim for this unless they told you about this condition. Or did you do something silly to cause the head to crack, like running it without fluid for example?

Now, they initially replaced the head gasket without discovering that the head was cracked??

I did the conversion and you spent $ 4200 on the bike when you bought it and now they want about $ 1500. Did you buy the bike from this same shop?

Somehow, this sounds like a rotten deal, but I don't know all the details......

Hope you get it figured out.

Hakan

Narkotik are you sure they know what they're talkin about with this one.
A cracked head on a berg is about as rare as rockin horse **** as are head gaskets unless you cooked it real bad.
In fact, and jump in here guys, I don't think I've seen anything anywhere on this site about a cracked head ever.
Have a read around this site and you'll notice that the wp seal is constant source of pain for a lot of people and alot of guys destroy them installing them, ending up with the same problem they started with.
If you're not confident mechanically go to another bike shop and get a second opinion.
Coops

Man, I tell ya.....anywayz.......Yup, same shop i bought it from, 3 months ago......they now told me that the head was gassed? modified, when i bought it second hand you see........and they did not know that it was modified......All they did, when i was interessted in buying the bike..... was give me a number of the previous mechanic (because i was scared of buying a f****d bike......so i phoned him, and he said that the bike was in great nick, and the motor was just rebuilt, soooo with that.....i squeeeeeeeezed myself financially and got the bike.......and WAMMMMMO!!!!!!......NOW they say the head is cracked, cause it was modified.....ETC ETC ETC.......surely they should've told this **** before i got the bike......not told me that they checked it and was great......which they did......but after blowing a bit of a fuse i heard today that, when they said they checked it....they meant they check the brake pads.....!!!!

yes same shop!!!!!.........******* children of a cluster f*ck!!!!! (sorry about my language, but damn........you know that hot sensation all over your body........!!!!!!!

I agree with Coastie, do not give up! IMHO I would think head gasket long before a cracked head. I also wounder why you would need to replace all your valves and associated hardware as well. If indeed the head is confermed to be cracked (not likely), look for a used one. DEFINITELY get a second opinion! The cooling system can be pressure checked and the source of the water leak can be found. It sounds like the people you are dealing with are not trouble shooting, but parts changing. How pissed off will you be once they replace the head and you still have water in the oil? How pissed will you be once you spend a bunch of coin, to find out you needed a cheap seal? GO TO ANOTHER MECHANIC, before you throw in the towel!

yeah, quite.........I will not spend the coin, NO WAY.......any bike machanic can check that right, cause theses fools are the only KTM/HUSABERG Shop in SA.....and by reputation,the best.......GAD DAM!!!!.........but i hear you!

I dont know where the crack is but I have seen some magic done by a good tig man in areas that i was sure could not or should not be welded. If not that route why not look on flea bay. the parts are not on all the time but with patience you may find just what you need. better yet ask around here for the parts you need.

Hate to see a guy get screwed by a dealer............ a lesson to be learned from this is to do your own work. then when you *uck the pooch you only have yourself to blame :twisted:

Dont give them the bike. At least take it home and if nothing else part it out and recover most if not all of your investment. Most of your parts will fit all bikes fron 01 up.

Did they already do the work? if not, just get it back from them. Believe me with a good read of the manual some help from our in-house mechanics you can figure it out and get that darn thing back together for a fraction of the coin. pulling that head is about a two hour job I am sure, even for me. pull it and snap some pictures, post'em up and let some people here have a go at it.

how did they diag the cracked head? If it is disassebled, asked to see the crack and take pics. that is an extreme diagnosis without proof. shooting from the hip and scattergunnig parts at problems only helps lazy techs, not consumers. How was it "MODDED"??? I did failure analysis at ford and chrysler dealers, and always needed proof to validate my diagnosis. more info please and pics if possible. jz

Narkotik666,

As already said here before, it is highly unlikely to be a cracked head - they are virtually unheard of. Unless whoever did the porting was totally kack handed.

I think it is far more likely to be a seal around the cylinder and this can happen after a rebuild - I have seen it.

Hopefully you'll get it sorted out but if you continue to experience problems I can certainly help you out with a used 2001 650 cylinder head. I also have a huge number of other internal engine parts in my garage and I am willing to do very good prices for them because I want to get rid of them. Give me a shoutvia PM if you want to discuss the stuff more.

Simon

Lets think logically here. I saw your other posts on the other thread. Lets get the whole picture.
As far as I can tell this is the story so far.
You said that the bike was running fine and you put it in a shop for valve adjustment.
The next ride there was coolant in the oil. You haven't had the bike long and it was rebuilt just before you got it and the head was modded.
The wp seal was found to be shagged and then you got it replaced by the same shop.
The shop appears to be full of morons and you still have coolant getting into the oil.
How much coolant was left in it? How hot did it get? How many rides did you get in before this actually happened?
My way of thinking...even after the engine was rebuilt someone, somewhere would have given it at least a ride or 2.
You've given it at least a couple of rides or you wouldn't need to be adjusting valves. Therefore I would think that if nothing has been disturbed it is unlikely to be the seals around cylinder or a head gasket.
The same thing happened to me shortly after I got mine - I got back from a ride and was checking fluids and only found 100mls of coolant where it should be and the rest was in the oil. I was doing alot of tight forest stuff where it usually gets hot at the best of times so I immediately thought head gasket. After heaps of investigation I found that head gasket problems basically don't happen. It was the wp seal which I fixed myself in a couple of hours including beer stops.
As I've said before I've never heard of a cracked head either so I would like to know how anyone would get to this diagnosis if they haven't torn it apart.
You said that your wp seal was no good and got replaced by the same shop.
This is still where I would start looking.
My course of action would be to get it out of that shop number 1.
Get the left sidecover off and check the wp seal again and the mating surface on the wp drive shaft. If they did replace the seal then check to see if they damaged it. If theres a groove in the shaft then it may not be sealing because of this. Things can be done to fix it. Let us know.
If your not confident doing mechanical stuff yourself go to another shop (doesn't have to be berg/KTM) or get someone that knows a bit to help you.
What about the guys you ride with?
Get the facts and a correct diagnosis before writing it off.
Coops

hEY 666
If your ready to give it up can I have it????????????
It would be worth the price of shippin g to here !!!!!!!!!!!!!
8O
Dont give it up man you can fix it for much less than you think.

i've flowed my head and you come close to the water jacket and indeed the FIRST thing i came to was the valve spring seats! it's probable that the guy that ported it came close to the water jacket.

and what's this crap about new valves etc? if the head was AWOL you just pull the old springs, valves etc and go play....

there are often heads for sale on european e-bay, i even put one there last summer. you need the BV head for a 650. 37/30.

i have a head which i'm halfway through so i can't help even though i'd love to and anyway, siimon has made you an offer.

why not barter the head into the rebuild deal. i.e. "i've got a head now you can fit it for free!"

good luck

regards

Taffy