Cold start off the button ?

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Does she start with the button, from stone cold ?

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Ady

Ady

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Hi Guy's
I would love to know how many of you guy's with electric start are able to fire her up from stone cold.
I know that we shouldn't and that it's designed to be a re-starter when warm.... but we all do it ..Do We ??

Tell me on my poll please.

Thanks
 
you should understand that differant years of bikes are differant im not sure about the 98 but the 99 and 00 have ''electric start'' not a ''restarter''
i believe the problem to only be with the 01 to 03 as the 04 and 05 have a faultless starter set up

cheers doug
 
Hey Ady, I can't speak for everyone else but my 04 FE650E was originally a kickstart model that came with a couple of pieces of ballast that closely resembled a battery and starter motor.

Now I've got 24 volts running through it and it starts instantly off the button hot or cold. (Mind you it doesn't get cold here, as I sit here typing this it's currently 42 degrees celsius in the shade)
 
Hi Whos-a-berg,24 volts? do you use two 12 batteries?If so, where does the second battery fit? 42c eh! I trade you for -8c as it is here...nsman
 
Hey nsman, I've got two Yuasa batteries setup in sequence so that only the starter motor gets 24volts and only the original battery gets any charge. The second battery I made a bracket for and then jammed under the seat.

Righto nsman you've got yourself a deal, just don't bring any pets with you, as I was just looking out the window and I saw my pet dog yappy burst into flames.
 
Whos-a-berg
Your avvin a laff !!
24 friggin volts !! to your starter, no charge facility !
I'm surprised your pet dog 'Yappy' hadn't frizzled already, from sniffing round your terminals..
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
cold e-starts

Hey Ady,
My 97' FE600E "Elduro" starts cold very easily. Always has!! This is one of the "Good Bergs" (before 2001)!! My 01' FS650E Started like a champ cold when it was new and for the first season I had it. I knew I wasn't supposed to start it on the button "cold" but I only did it when no one was looking!!! It eventually wore the auto-decompressor lobe to the point where it didn't decompress enough to start on the button cold or warm. It would ,however, start on the kicker fine. I had the auto decompressor replaced and now I kick start it cold and re-start it warm.
Now I'm not one to complain about new technology but my 97' Berg is going on 8 yrs. old and has about 3500 to 5k miles on it. Those are dirt and street miles. The bike still starts cold off the button. Why screw with a good thing. My 01' Berg is 4yrs. old and is so temperamental and delicate.
Maybe I'm from the old school but I think if you got a good thing going, stick with it. Seems like the higher technology the builders go the reliability goes too!!
The phrase "Keep it simple Stupid" applies to E-starting, ignitions an carburettors.
Best regards,
Mackberg :D
 
Hey Mackberg
Couldn't agree more with your general points.
My 03 started great for 9 months from new, hot and cold.
Maybe it's the engine wear, the battery ooomph or the decomp mechanism, but she's a nightmare.
Usually if i stall her when she's hot, she'll fire back up straight away, but any other time... she's a *****.
She only spins fast enough with no choke, when cold. With choke on i maybe get 5 revolutions, then battery starts to die. Plenty of loud backfires waking the neighborhood though.
However i was kicking her off today from cold and after another wopper of a bang, the kickstart flew off, shearing off the spline with it.
My god, can anything else go wrong with this bike.
My 2 stroke Gasser never gave me any bother and was bullet proof.

Happy days...

:x :x
 
hey ADY,
I want to say!! First; I suggest you not use the e-start on your 03' except as directed by the manual. Use only with warm motor. Thats the new model design. One can't blame the bike if it's not designed to do what we want it to do. Otherwise buy a pre-2001 Berg where the e-starts were designed to start cold bikes.
Second; Sorry to hear the kick start broke!! But it sounds to me you've got other problems also. An out of tune carb (too rich) and possibly obstructed idle circuit in the carb and or improperly set valves. I don't know the history of your maintenance on the bike but proper settings of carb and valves play a major role in starting this bike. Then the kick start shaft breaks? Contrary to popular belief one does not kick start a Husaberg. One pushes through completely, in a calm, assertive, motion the kick start lever. You must remember your turning over a whole series of gears and balancing gears in this manual process. The new motors do not spin over or free wheel as easily as the pre 2001 motors. It's easy to get over aggressive and frantic when frustrated. Unfortunately you see the results.
All I can say is "fix it, learn from it" and move on. The learning curve gets smaller with experience and all the good info on this website.


Good luck and don't give up!!!

Mackberg :D
 
Point taken Mackberg.
In this instance however, surprisingly, I kicked her down (calmly and assertively) then quickly moved my foot away because she kicks back like a mule. At that point she misfired and sheared the kick start shaft. It flew off and landed about four feet away ! :?

Your totally right though, I should only use the button when she's warm, and usually do, but......ya know. Were all lined up about to go on a trail and everyone else is firing off the button. (more than tempting)

Interesting point about the possible blocked idle circuit. I've cleaned the carb many times, but possibly overlooked that one. Maybe that could explain the misfire i'm getting a lot of nowadays.
Could be my valves, i don't use feeler guages - i find i can feel the gap better by lifting the rockers by hand.
Too rich a mixture is unlikely as i've not altered the carb from standard.
But I won't give up and will learn from my mistakes..

Thanks for the good advice. I shall repair the kick start shaft then find the fault....

A D Y O N A M I S S I O N
 
Hey Ady,

"quickly moved my foot away because she kicks back like a mule"


This comment tells me you may not be pushing all the way through. The last third of the kick through is the most important. Your lever engages at approximately the 1 o'clock position by the time it moves to the 4 o'clock position the piston is coming up to the power stroke. You must keep driving the lever down through the ignition point 4 to 6 o'clock. This procedure is a must!!! If you drive through the 4 to 6 o'clock the bikes kick start gear disengages and a backfire will not kick back the lever . You mentioned you started your 2 stroke right up. I hope you're not kicking the Berg like a 2 stroke. No short kicks allowed here. I know how one can snap a 2 stoke and even short stroke it. It won't work on the Berg.I could talk all night about starting European 4 strokes, from old 510 Huskys to KTM 640's. My first Berg a 94' FE501E, I bought used from a neighbor. He started it for me when I bought it. A month later I finally got it started. I found a Dealer about 300 mi. from my house. I spent a lot of time on the phone with him during the week and on weekends I'd drive to his shop. He taught me a lot. I got the bike to start in two or three kicks cold and 1 kick warm. Wish I still had that bike. Oh well, enough of my rambling.

Good luck,

Mackberg :D
 
Hey Mackberg
Well maybe i should have been a bit bolder and done it myself, but ive rang my local dealer and he's gonna do the kickstart shaft and give her a full 'yearly service'. Ironically enough (and i hope nobody else sees this ..) but, he also sells the Sherca's, there new over here. Well he's only gone and offered me the use of one this weekend whilst he has mine in the garage.
I have a good relationship with my local dealer and the riders with the Sherca's that i've spoken to, say they are excellent - not a huge 'wow factor' but just the tool for the job.
Interesting eh !
I shall keep you posted on this thread (coz i don't wanna be seen as a traitor .. :twisted: ) And of course i shall let you know what his findings are on my beautiful berg :lol: :lol:
 
The survey needs a third button marked "occasionally".

My bike is same as Mackberg's ('98 FE600E). I find that even with a YTZ12S battery fitted I tend to cold start it (and sometimes hot) with both the kick and button together. Mind you I have not yet pulled down the decomp to go over it.

With the pre-2001 starters, just be sure to seal between the starter body & engine case with something that won't let the sand in (eg silicone) that gets thrown off the front wheel straight at the starter. If it gets in there the vibration of the engine running chews out the starter bore in the engine case, but it can be fixed by putting in a 30mm? Speedy sleeve.

Personally I love the pre2001 e-start (ie "balance shafted"!) engine. It is like the old Husky I had with a lot of the nasties removed. :) It is excellent on the road.
 
Hey Brad
Can't seem to get back to edit the poll, to add another option.

I'll bet your berg's heavy, with that YTZ12S on her.
But i do agree, that with all the power to weight ratio's found on the new bikes, comes unreliability.
When my kickstart shaft is back and running, i will give it a try using that and the button combined. Seems to make sense (once i've fixed my backfiring problem).

Ady
 
Changing to the YTZ adds about 2.7 lbs. If I was serious about weight I'd lose 20 lbs! :oops:
 
20lbs eh.Tell me is it still fosters in nsw,victoria bitter in victoria,xxxx in queensland and swan in western aus.Do you guys still put beet root on your burgers...nsman
 
You and me the same Brad...
Nowt wrong with a 16 stone pie eater :lol: :lol:
 
Cold Start off the button

To all "Button Fanatics",
Why do you guys rely on the button to start your post 00' bikes cold? You all realize they are designed to kick start cold and e-start at normal operating temperatures. Why can't you live with that?
I'm sure the majority of you are play bikers, amature racers and suburban street riders, so what's so hard in kicking over the bike when you begin your ride?
I read in the website, many of you want to change to more powerful batterys, bigger starters, double voltage and so on. Some want to add weld bead to the auto decompressor as they want to increase the life of the lifting device. All this is being done to be able to cold start a machine that was not designed to cold start off the button. I ask WHY??

Best regards for a new year,

Mackberg :D
 
Re: Cold Start off the button

Mackberg said:
All this is being done to be able to cold start a machine that was not designed to cold start off the button. I ask WHY??

Best regards for a new year,

Mackberg :D
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Well.........umm....................hmm................ya see...............uhh......no one has ever put it quite that way.

Let me get back to you. Mt. Fuji awaits.
 

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