Clogged Oil Jets, Warranty question.

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Hello fellow Berggers,
I own a 2011 FE570. I have about 12 hours on the engine, it is still under warranty. I have a set of knobby and motar wheels. I've done 11 hours on the motar setup mostly on the freeway doing about 70mph(easy rides). I converted it to the knobby setup and ran it for an hour practising turns and getting the general feel of the bike in the mud(I was by myself so I was riding conservative at a local reservoir). The bike just quit. Like you hit the kill switch. It would turn over but would not start. I brought it back to the dealer(it's under warrenty). Here's what they found:

There is a plugged oil jet(one of three) in the head that sprays oil on the cam chain. The cam chain tensioner melted due to the heat from the friction of an un-lubed cam chain. The cam chain wore through the tensioner phenolic material into its aluminium backing causing a lot of fiber and metal debris. What caused the engine to quit was the intake valve rocker arm seizing open(the piston did not hit the valve, the engine passes leakdown testing). This debris may have caused the rocker to seize due to a clogged oil galley or low oil pressure. The rocker and shaft showed heat damage. The bike is repaired now but I have not picked it up yet. It took a month and many new parts(cam chain, cam chain tensioners, rocker arms and shafts, oil pump gears. I don't have the complete parts list yet. I don't know what caused the nozzle to plug (most likely something like a glob of locktight that is used extensively in assembly). I'm assuming it was defective from the factory and took 12hrs to fail. I was hoping that they'd swap in a new engine but that didn't happen. I'm really worried about this repair. I only have 2 months of warranty left. There was obviously a lot of fibrous(from the tensioner) and metal debris. They didn't completely disassemble the engine so it is unknown if there are other galleys(such as the piston nozzles) contaminated. If so what if they manifest themselves after the warranty has expired? The shop says that there are very few plain bearing in the engine that require oil to "float" the bearing surfaces. Most everything is roller or needle bearings. The assumption(I guess) is that these types of bearings are less susceptible to small metal debris(all the metal was aluminium, not hardened steel).

Anyway, due to the short time left on my warranty, I'm worried what the factory will do if problems related to all this contamination show up beyond the warranty period. I've only got 12hrs on it! The dealer said that Husaberg will not extend the warranty but I should not worry because in the past(this dealer has had several examples), any issues such as the one I'm having have been covered well beyond the warranty period. I asked if I could get this in writing, he said they will not. So I'd like to know what other's have experienced when it come to repairs beyond the warranty period due to a problem that surfaced during warranty.


Thanks
 
watch your oil screens the one by the oil drain plug and the other one is in the head, for debris
run the bike like the devil is after you, put all the miles you can on while under warranty
If the engine is OK you won't see any debris on the screens
These are great engines but have to be assembled CLEAN! for a long life
Have a great ride
haskell in Idaho
 
Just curious - did the bike get its scheduled one hour and three hour oil changes done? Mine had a lot of clutch material and a few metal shavings after an hour. My lower oil filter screen was almost totally covered.

From what I've seen second hand, Husaberg seems to be good about stepping up to make things right outside of the warranty period.
 
did the bike get its scheduled one hour and three hour oil changes done?

Yep. On the last oil change, which was one hour of engine time before it quit, there was some fibrous material sparsely covering about 1/4 of the bottom screen. It was later determined that that was cam chain tensioner material.

From what I've seen second hand, Husaberg seems to be good about stepping up to make things right outside of the warranty period.

This is what the dealer is telling me, and I'm inclined to I trust them. There's a lot of money involved to get one of these machines and it's a little hard not having anything in writing. I think they know I'm pretty concious with this machine. I had them install a cooling fan and crash bars before I took possession. I rarely buy new stuff....I did this time and look what happened.

Here's my Motard setup(factory). The front brake works very well. I think after this summer riding season I'm going to have the front suspension adjusted to be stiffer so it doesn't dive as much when braking.
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watch your oil screens the one by the oil drain plug and the other one is in the head, for debris

Thanks Haskell I will. I read your story "blown 570" and that was my take on it. I'll be doing lots of frequent oil changes looking for debris.
 
Gooyboy said:
Hello fellow Berggers,
I own a 2011 FE570. I have about 12 hours on the engine, it is still under warranty. I have a set of knobby and motar wheels. I've done 11 hours on the motar setup mostly on the freeway doing about 70mph(easy rides). I converted it to the knobby setup and ran it for an hour practising turns and getting the general feel of the bike in the mud(I was by myself so I was riding conservative at a local reservoir). The bike just quit. Like you hit the kill switch. It would turn over but would not start. I brought it back to the dealer(it's under warrenty). Here's what they found:

There is a plugged oil jet(one of three) in the head that sprays oil on the cam chain. The cam chain tensioner melted due to the heat from the friction of an un-lubed cam chain. The cam chain wore through the tensioner phenolic material into its aluminium backing causing a lot of fiber and metal debris. What caused the engine to quit was the intake valve rocker arm seizing open(the piston did not hit the valve, the engine passes leakdown testing). This debris may have caused the rocker to seize due to a clogged oil galley or low oil pressure. The rocker and shaft showed heat damage. The bike is repaired now but I have not picked it up yet. It took a month and many new parts(cam chain, cam chain tensioners, rocker arms and shafts, oil pump gears. I don't have the complete parts list yet. I don't know what caused the nozzle to plug (most likely something like a glob of locktight that is used extensively in assembly). I'm assuming it was defective from the factory and took 12hrs to fail. I was hoping that they'd swap in a new engine but that didn't happen. I'm really worried about this repair. I only have 2 months of warranty left. There was obviously a lot of fibrous(from the tensioner) and metal debris. They didn't completely disassemble the engine so it is unknown if there are other galleys(such as the piston nozzles) contaminated. If so what if they manifest themselves after the warranty has expired? The shop says that there are very few plain bearing in the engine that require oil to "float" the bearing surfaces. Most everything is roller or needle bearings. The assumption(I guess) is that these types of bearings are less susceptible to small metal debris(all the metal was aluminium, not hardened steel).

Anyway, due to the short time left on my warranty, I'm worried what the factory will do if problems related to all this contamination show up beyond the warranty period. I've only got 12hrs on it! The dealer said that Husaberg will not extend the warranty but I should not worry because in the past(this dealer has had several examples), any issues such as the one I'm having have been covered well beyond the warranty period. I asked if I could get this in writing, he said they will not. So I'd like to know what other's have experienced when it come to repairs beyond the warranty period due to a problem that surfaced during warranty.


Thanks
I had the same problem with my 390, when we disassembled the engine we found the same fiber material as you in the screens and orfices. We carefully cleaned and re -assembled only to have the problem occur again. After extensive studing of the material we finally concluded the material was Husaberg oil filter debris. We checked all of our other bikes including our Baja Bike after only (50 km of riding)they all had the same material on the oil screen. We don't use after market parts,we only use Husaberg filters, so we have decided that either we received a bad batch of oil filters or the KTM filter supplied is not correct for the Husaberg oil system. We changed all of our bikes to metal washable filters and have not had a problem since. We also now convert to the metal filters at PDI on all new bikes ,to date we have not had a single failure.
 
Thanks for the input Husaberg1. I'm still running the oil filters that the dealer sells. They are K&N filters. I've done several oil changes at 2hr intervals since I got it back from the shop. The first few had debris in the screen but now everything is clean so I'm running longer intervals at the moment. Where your filter from K&N(paper element)?
 

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