99 fe400 engine swap for 04 450E

chris_notts · May 23, 2006

Ho hum

Some of you might remember my sad tale of woe with my 99 berg elduro 400.

I've got the chance of a 450E 04 engine complete... I know it wont drop straight in (I doubt anyway) but has anyone tried anything similar

From previous thread, the back fits (hopefully) but the front needs some engine plates etc making?

Ideas,comments or wish me good luck etc would be helpful

I can get an 04 swingarm to go with it? Would it help in any way or just create other problems?

Cheers

JoeUSA · May 23, 2006

Why not take the complete 04!

Joe

chris_notts · May 23, 2006

cos the frame and forks are already gone

that was my idea too

i was too late!!!

Taffy · May 23, 2006

ignitions are totally different. and also, you'll need your old carb to keep it cheap and that would be a real shame as well. if you take the keihin you'll need the whole throttle assembly to save you buying new cables and twistgrip etc.

mmmmm?

sorry fella but i'd say that you've made it too tough this time. go get the right engine for that year methinks?

regards

Taffy

chris_notts · May 23, 2006

Oh bo****ks.............

99 engines and rocking horse sh*t spring to mind!!

Taffy · May 23, 2006

chris

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUSABERG-ENGINE-O ... dZViewItem

if it's this one, it's the old engine from 2001 to 2003 inclusive. it has a SEM ignition and dell orto carb. JoeUSA knows all about swopping . the guy openly admits it's a 470 in the Q & A section and the title is misleading i'm afraid. so it could be good news for you...

regards

Taffy

chris_notts · May 23, 2006

Taffy

Re the 2004 engine, I can get the carb with it, and hopefully (as at today) the throttle body and the full wiring loom inc coil and cdi, will it fit in the frame though?

the guy selling has sold the frame and forks ya see...

no point buying if it wont fit tho

cheers

chris

JoeUSA · May 24, 2006

Your 99 is an Elduro, which has the front of the engine supported by a bolt going through the engine cases and fittings welded onto the bottom of the frame engine cradle.

Your frame does not have ANY provision on the frame for you to adapt to the 01-06 engines with custom designed engine plates. You will have to design the engine mount details, fabricate the engine plates and weld attachment fittings onto the frame to support the newer engines.

I don't know if the rear of the engine will fit the frame and swing arm either. You will have to measure up both engines, swing arms, and your frame to find out if no one else on this web site can't help you.

Good luck,

Joe

Taffy · May 24, 2006

ccchhhrrriiiissss!!!!!

here's another one you missed!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUSABERG-610-ENGI ... dZViewItem

regards

Taffy

chris_notts · May 26, 2006

Wooohoo

Got me one..... 99 600 enduro complete. Here's hoping its in as good condition inside the cases as outside....

Now all I've got to do is remember what I did with all the other bits that I took off getting the engine out

Then make something to fit the front of the engine into the frame because the e-start frame's different

Then learn the knack of kicking it up without breaking me ankle (because I had an e-start one til it broke)

Any quick suggestions, without a total strip down on whether to check the spinning bits etc are still spinning in roughtly the right order.

I was going to drain the oil and look for metal bits in it (and the filter) first, then take the rockers off and see if the valves all go up and down in the right order, then set the clearances etc and have a look at the plug colour, and gap etc and clean any crud out of the carb?

Anyone any other suggestions on what to check and look for first, bearing in mind that I bought it secondhand and as ever, I don't know if i've bought a gem or a piece of sh*t really.

Wish me luck guys

Chris

Taffy · May 26, 2006

is that the one off ebay that i was telling you about?

if it was me i would do exactly what you said. i would see if any bits fit differently to yours and if they do - try to fit yours instead. maybe it can be converted to leccy start or are the two types of cases totally different?

good luck!

regards

Taffy

chris_notts · May 26, 2006

I haven't looked yet but vaguely remember Mick at SR offroad telling me the leccy start isnt powerful enough to turn over a 400 very well, let alone a 600.

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