99 berg stator compatibilty

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akshun

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So i have had my old 99 FE 400 laid up for a couple years now as it had locked up the bottom end and i have other bikes and projects on the go. Two days ago i saw a fella leaning a 99 against his car next to a for sale sign so i stopped for a look. Turned out to be a 99 FC 600 and it was CHEAP! I pick it up tomorrow, ha ha! Its missing a couple parts but i think between the two bikes i have everything i need.
My question is will the stator and cover from the 400 fit the 600? Im hoping to fit all the lights etc from the FE 400 onto the FC 600. ( I think its an FC, im not sure but it has no lights or road going equipement).
I have searched around on here a little and have read that from 99 to 03 they are the same, is this correct?
 
Picked the bike up yesterday, turns out it is probably an FE 600 afterall. It has FE on the side cover and it has six gears. Somebody must have stripped the road gear off it at some point. I suspect it has been crashed at sometime which could explain where the lights went as the front rim has been welded back together and the stator cover is missing. I guess i will just have a go at fitting the bits from the 400 since nobody has any info for me at this time.
 
Hi

The stator and cover (if they are both 99+) can be changed between them, all is the same.
The CDI will be different.

Most of the parts (except the obvious ones) can be changed between both bike.

If you bought it cheap, its the best buy you can make to keep one running, I've done the same with great results, saved a lot of money !!

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
Thanks Zaga, we have fitted the stator and cover from the 400 to the 600. The 600 didn't have any wiring or CDI so the plan is to swap it all over from the 400. Are you saying the CDI from 400 the wont be compatible with 600 even though we are using the 400 stator? Apart from this issue im pretty sure we have everything. The 400 was my first berg and this is sort of like a rebirth of it for me, im mega keen to take the old girl for a blast!
 
What would be the chance that somebody has a CDI for the 600 that they would part with at a reasonable price? Im in South Australia but would be willing to pay for postage as long as its not mega bucks!
 
Hi

I don't say it won't work, but the advance curves should be different between the 600 and the 400.
Probably if you use the 400 one on the 600 it will have too much advance to that engine.

Also there is the question of the e-starter, not shure if that's the case in the first CDI's, but usualy the e-start CDI's have one extra white wire to ****** the spark with the e-start, again I don't say it won't work, just not as good.

If you go to the manual you have this ref:

250 216-01 - 400 FE/FC 99
250 216-02 - 500/600 FE/FC 99
250 217-01 - 400 FEE 99
250 217-02 - 500/600 FEE 99

If you find one, you can use one earlier model, for the 600 you have until 2000 and for the 400 you have until 2003, and in this last case you can use one with the 2 advance curves if you want.

I have one from the 650 2003, but I don't know if I will sell it for a "reasonable" price :mrgreen:

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
Thank you again for your input Zaga. I think i will try the CDI from the 400 just for the sake of seeing if it will work but will also keep looking for the correct part. Im guessing if the timing is slightly advanced it will be ok but if it is advanced too much it will ping and try to bite me on the leg when i kick it!
Another strange thing about this bike is that it doesn't have an e starter, i thought all FE models had e start. Perhaps it is an FC engine in an FE frame, which is also strange because it has 6 gears. I was under the impression that the FC bikes had 4 gears. I dont know a great deal about what models had what options but this bike seems to be a bit of a mix up!
 
No, not all the FE had e-start, the e-start ones they were called ELDURO.

And I think there were also FC's with 6 and 4 gears also. Other from the gearbox and the CDI, the main difference I think was only on the cam. The FE and FEE was a 01 and the the FC/FX were the 55 or 53 ?? At least some years after was something like that.

Sorry but I can't tell the difference of advance between the 600 and 400

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
Thank you again, you know much more than i do! So it could just be an FE with no e start. I will do some more research on the CDI problem and hopefully figure it out.
 
The FE 600 is alive!!!!! It's an old trench digging rock chucker! Turns out it will run with the 400 CDI but i think it is a little too advanced in the timing. It does try to throw you off with the kick starter on occasion and is difficult to start cold. Starts easy once hot though. We did try to ****** the timing using the adjustment on the stator but then it wouldn't run at all so im guessing the CDI isn't quite right for this engine. Will keep my ear out for a CDI to suit or may even look into aftermarket units if anyone has a recommendation. It currently has the SEM CDI.
The bike came with a 45 rear sprocket and a 16 front! Don't know what sort of riding they were using it for or what sort of top speed they were after! I put a 13 front and 50 rear on it and now it will pick the wheel up in any gear, it's an old power house! Was well worth the effort to merge the two bikes together and get something that can be used again!
 
Hi

I don't think you can solve the advance thing by retarding it with the stator.
You probably have the same advance or very close at idle speed, that you can check, and it will help with the starting thing.
My question is specialy at full advance, probably the 400 CDI will have some more deg of advance then the 600.

I'm not completly shore of this but, as you can see at parts cat, on the first generation SEM, you only had one ref for ignition so I presume that they were all the same ??, and they survived :mrgreen: , so it might not be a big big problem :?: :?: Just a thought

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
I have found the same thing, the SEM part numbers seem to be the same from 400 to 600. I was thinking that maybe they are the same unit but with a different map loaded in them for different bikes? There is adjustment on the stator, it has 3 bolts that you can loosen and turn it on the cover. There is also a little plug on the cover that lets you line up the marks on the stator with the ones on the flywheel. I think these are there for the two settings between e start and non e start models. We played with that a couple times but found unless it was in the original position it wouldn't run at all.
Im now playing with the fuel system as it seems to run out of juice at the top end. Have given the 600 carb a good clean and replaced the fuel lines with new hose. Was running the 400 carb on it to start with cos i knew it was in good condition, just to prove the thing would run. Now with the 600 carb on it is getting better to start from cold obviously cos it's getting more fuel now. Also found that the hose from the lower part of the tank to the pump was kinked so was probably not transferring the fuel up to the other side.
Thank you again Zaga for your input. Im surprised with all the "experts" on this site that nobody else has given any advice on the different CDI units. Im sure somebody out there can say either "yes they are the same" or "no they are not"!
At the end of the day my bike is running and ripping big holes in the earth! How long it will last with the current tune is anyones guess but for the money it cost i have had plenty of fun!!!!
 
you should get a '55' cam and a pumper carb :D with that gearing you could pick the front wheel off in 8th gear:D
 
Yeah they were just the sprockets i had here but anything was better than what it had!! I found the ADR sprocket that my 570 came with in the shed the other day, 38 tooth! Imagine that on the rear with the 16 on the front, ha ha ha!!!
 
Hi

When I say I don't know if the CDI's are the same or not, it's for the MKI's, the red ones.

For the 99 one, I'm shore they are different, the 400 is not the same as the 600, OK?

:cheers:
ZAGA
 
Thanks again! It is running good enough for now but if i see a 600 unit available somewhere i will definitely try to acquire it, price permitting!!!
 

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