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ok so ive recently bought a 06 650 berg the valves were done less than 5hrs ago ive ridden it a grand total of 2 times less than an hr ive done a wheelie out of a roundabout and shifted down for the next corner and shes slowly come to a stop and nothing went bang spewing.it has spark clean fuel compression carby is clean i pulled the plug out to see if it had spark i kicked it over and the compression was no different with the plug out grrrr any ideas?timing? im quickly starting to hate my new secondhand 650 berg but i know it is such an awesome bike any help would be much appreciated guys
 
It looks like you have no compression. Check the valves first. The most common issue is the broken valve springs. Remove the valve cups and check for any damage. If everything is ok then you should remove the head and check for valve seat wear or damage. In my case it was the piston...
 
cheers mate im going to check valve springs tonight however valves were just done from local bike shop apparently but anyway going to see what the valve springs look like will let you know thanks
 
dam springs

ok sounds like you are right mate i pulled tappet cover off last night to find the front right spring is cracked and loose dont want to sound like a ******* but this is the first time ive done this and parts are hard to find and expensive in far north australia so how do get the spring out?does the head have to come off
 
Head has to come off. Its not a huge job, but could be daunting if you've never done it before.

A dual valve spring kit, DVSK, is likely the go, + head gasket and some stem seals. Various online sources, with plenty of discussion re springs here on UHE. Probably worth fitting a new cam chain while you're at it. Can be broken and the new one fed around, and simplifies camshaft removal if the chain is broken as I recall. Been a while since I did mine :eek:

I've been using a Taffmeister DVSK kit for the last 40 hrs with no issues.

Ok, time for another update.

160 hrs and 5714 km. Should be more by now, but unfortunately my old body isn't always capable of late!

Both wp seals, ie coolant and oil, were weeping so I got the latest version of Orangeberg's kit to put in. I also had previously got a cam chain kit and a DVSK from Taffy in anticipation of putting them in sometime. So now seemed like a good time, as its been a bit hot for too much riding of late, mid 30s most days, so why not some shed time?.

I also got some new valve stem seals, cam bearings and roller followers while it was apart.

Pull the rocker cover and it all looks and feels like brand new, a good start.

Pull the cam chain tensioner and its on 17 of 20 clicks, at what appears to be 1 mm clicks. Looks like the cam chain is due. Its also loose on the cam sprocket, so definitely due.

Ground the pins off a link on the original DID endless chain after stuffing the tunnel with some rags using a Dremel. Easy!

Pulled the head and couldn't believe that there was no carbon buildup. A wipe with the finger in the combustion chamber and on the piston and its down to aluminium! Good jetting perhaps?

Pull valves and all look perfect. Test fit new springs and no material to be removed, so quick lap, and reassemble with new stem seals. Test fit rocker cover and some material needs to be removed, so Dremel to the rescue again.

Debate with myself whether to change what appear to be perfect roller followers and cam bearings, and decided to put the originals back, so now I have some spare bearings in the shed for next time. Hmmm.

Pull the clutch cover and setup the wp kit. The existing bearing is OK, so its just the seals gone. A new, bigger bearing is with the new kit anyway. Put a new reed valve in as they are cheap, and the 501 used to wear them out, but the original looked fine.

Everything else under the cover looks pristine too, nice!

Pull the DID chain out and feed the IWIS in. No need to rotate the crank as I've got the clutch cover off. FYI crank end float is about + 0.5 mm.

Reassemble the top end with new head gasket. 3 clicks on the cam chain tensioner now, and its tight over the cam sprocket. Nice!

Put clutch cover on and it won't pull up the last 1/2 mm. Bugger! Stuff about, but have to pull the clutch and find the kick start return spring has slipped, so fix that and the cover now tightens up nicely. Must have slipped when pulling the cover. Note to self, apply pressure to kick start shaft if and when removing cover again. No sealant on the gasket, just a new one with a smear of HT grease.

Nearly ready to go, but I couldn't resist finding out what my jetting is. Some posts previously, mention the dyno work I had done, and there is a plot in my gallery of an apparent 63 dynojet hp. Whatever, the work also included a muffler end cap mod opened out to 47 mm ID with perforated straight through tube. Throaty, but OK, and I don't like noisy bikes. On Carl's dyno with the Lineaweaver jet kit installed and the stock muffler it showed 33 hp. When he finished it was 43 hp, almost 1/3 increase.

Using my jet drills as a gauge, where relevant, the carb is setup as follows.
MAJ 190-200
PAJ 3/8 t or say 55
R&D Flex pilot screw 1 3/8
main 150-155
pilot 40
start 85
Lineaweaver needle 6/7 from top
ap 0.2 mm stroke

Fresh coolant and oil and it coughs on the first kick, fluffs a bit the next couple and dies and then settles into a nice quiet idle on the 5th kick.

10 min shakedown and back to the shed to check for leaks, and none to see, I'll let it cool, and write this post while it does. Next is crack the coolant bleed in the head again, and do another 10 mins and then dump the oil and filter.

Should be good to good for heaps more of my riding pleasure.

Thanks to Taffy and OrangeBerg for their work on coming up with their upgrades.

Nearly beer o'clock!

Cheers
Steve

PS
For sale, conical valve springs, only 160 hrs! Appear to be in perfect condition, and mostly only used on Sundays.
 
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ok dvsk sounds the go can anyone give me some contacts where i can get this in aus taffy i know you sent me something mate but my net crashed my email is [email protected] if that makes it easyier thanks again guys cant say how much i appreciate it. and also what tools id need to get this job done
 
also if i take the head of to get the new spring fitted by shop would i need a new head gasket and should there be a gasket on the tappet cover? as there was not one only goo when i pulled it off the other night
 
New head gasket for sure. It is just "goo" for the cover?.. The large cover, small inspection covers have rubber gaskets.
I'm sure someone in your neck of the woods will have a suggestion on the best brand rtv down there
 
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If you're going to order a head gasket, the valve cover gaskets are only a few dollars each. Changing the springs yourself isn't a difficult task, so look into it before you take it to a shop.

my $0.02.
 
ok dvsk sounds the go can anyone give me some contacts where i can get this in aus taffy i know you sent me something mate but my net crashed my email is [email protected] if that makes it easyier thanks again guys cant say how much i appreciate it. and also what tools id need to get this job done

hello mate.
just go to the web shop, the aussies don't pay VAT there, so Husaberg, Husaberg Parts, Taffmeisters UK and put in DVSK and then head gasket etc. the search is excellent. you get instructions with the kit although it is easy enough.

yes, as said, new HG everytime, rocker inspection gaskets are usually OK but seem to 'grow'! the best stuff for head to rocker cover is called

wurth sebasto RTV silicon sealant in black or grey. I prefer black.

I would suggest you ALWAYS look at your inlets, the record on here is:

owners who have faced the valves and seats
Taffy = 1,754 times
the rest = spit the dog = 1 time (he woofed the wrong request)

not sure what is going on out there but I have at least one head per week having the seats cut and the valves faced.

try and get my 'modified auto decomp spring' while you are there. you might also consider a water pump seal as beginners nip the lip while fitting the cover.

two last things to check while you are there
1) the tappet pads, if cupped = change them.
the cam follower bearings should be fine but if you can get 0.1mm of movement up and down (how they would run up and down that is!) then they are fecked.

good luck

Taffy
 

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