390/450/570 race cam

hello

I'm about to have a job lot of race cams done and if you'd like to have yours done then please forward it to me and I'll get an even better price I hope!

I'm going for the LX1 profile which has 10.4mm inletr opening, bit less on the exhaust and 284d of duration.

this profile is well known to myself and anyone who has bought a 'top end' cam off me for the 2001-2008s.

they will be 175gbp inclusive, I hope. if I can avoid import duty......

regards

Taffy

how much would the cam be without sending in my own? and what power/gains are there likely to be?

Interesting I'm looking at a similar cam that Make used in his bike from Thumper racing how does yours compare I would rather by from you

firstly, they will only work on the original billets, they won't be making them from scratch. a simple look at the OEM cam tells you that it is a very complicated piece of kit and to make them all over again is a LOT of MONEY!

so when you send it in, it's gone!

Alarka
your question is similar to: "is your bed firm or reasonably firm compared to mine?". first of all you need to know that SOHC technology is old technology - really old. ancient even. there are NO secrets whatsoever out there. all there is is how much of it do you want and how much are you prepared to lose in order to continue gaining?

the LX1 cam profile is like the last cam where you gain without losing. if we compare it to the std cam in thre 650 called the '08' it has more top end pep and holds onto its low and midrange. as standard it might even lose a little at the bottom but that is because you have to re-jet and the bottom substantially gets it back.

for the 650: there is a KTM cam called from an engine called 'the crate motor' a 613cc engine KTM made. the cam is even more powerful and with Fi (570s) running cleanly I would think it is more powerful. I'm not 100% sure how they compare back to back.

I've sold two but the feed back from the owners is.............. well you know... even you two would become mutes. it's just how people are I'm afraid.

compared to your present MX cam though you would see a huge increase in power from mid-revs up but also a slight lose of torque. this generally means that you need to be within two gears of the right gear whereas the present 650 or 570 can lug in 6th gear from 15mph onwards.

there seems little point in big valves, HC pistons and exhausts if you don't get rid of a commuter cam that was designed for me to ride at 8mph through the woods on my FE.

if you use me, you get a warranty whatever happens. even if they don't support me as my cam grinder didn't when I had some made. but I covered every single one.

so form a queue boys and send them in. if I can save any more for you I will pass it on but I'm not going back to a busy shop and saying "how cheap if I do 8, no, no! make that 9, oops! make that 10"

and then

"ah, erm, sorry, but paul has a slight cough this week and steven thinks he might maybe as long as its not too cold in the garage be able to get the cam out in 3 months time....."

with this cam you'll be fine with the standard valves, springs and seats etc. I don't have any problems and neither do you.

K.I.S.S

regards

Taffy

Oh dear oh dear ... really?

:cold::cold::cold::cold::cold::cold:

Taffy said:

if you use me, you get a warranty whatever happens. even if they don't support me as my cam grinder didn't when I had some made.

but I covered every single one.

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not true and i wasn't the only one who lost money on those.

Fact

http://husaberg.org/mechanical/13202-53-cam-part-starting-problem.html

we eventually came to know of 11 taffy/joy engineering cams that failed .. not everyone received a refund. most of us received plenty free abuse and accusations of incompetence though.

this a pm i recieved from one of the blokes, its still in my inbox

yeah, i had a cam which lasted 8 hours.. it was the high lift " supermoto/enduro" cam which apparently would not affect the running of the bike at all except for slightly rmp top end, and a slighlty more progressive power delivery... bollocks. this thing disintegrated after a few hours use and after 8 hours was when i stripped it all out to find what had happened. i lost out on a 2 day endoru because of this *****, i had to buy even more bits as it was a full top end strip down to make sure everything was fine. took me 5 oil changes to get all the metal out of the engine from the cam...

this "husaberg expert" would ot even refund me the money for his screwed up product.


i even send the damaged cam off to a company and had it fully inspected and dave at taffmiesters still blamed me for putting the bearings on wrong....

i laughed at this, because he fitted the bearings on in his shop/ garden shed...

if you ever need anything, get the advice from dave clark racing, he DOES know about husabergs... where as that self proclaimed expert is just a useless idoit who works out of his garden shed...

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ALARKA ... thumper racings stage 4s are about the same as the 8/07 cam for the KTM 613 crate engine mentioned above, also web cams does a similar one for the 570.

Hijacking yet another of my threads waster?

EVERYONE who had a problem had the cam changed no matter what the mileage. However i aksed people to pay for the upgrade to the higher quality product that I had done instead.

you on the other hand YOU probably got what you deserved. Karma truly came to your tent my son.

Taffy

still not true

Taffy offered me a replacement cam of the same construction as the one that failed I said no thanks

so i was not covered

I would have been happy with a full refund and a new OEM cam to replace the one i sent to the UK for the regrind. it was not an option

I didn't really care but My inbox started to fill up with questions from people with failed taffy cams .. all the while hes still pushing them on the site and blaming poorly installed cam follower bearings.

so I went public to save site members the grief. in return I have been abused every since ... no refund.

you want a warranty go with Thumper racing, they built a race 570 for an aust customer and sent it out unknowingly with an aftermarket cam having possible issues.

they paid for all the shipping and went out of their way to make the customer happy by going over the engine and sending it out...

I still don't see a contradiction to my point? I did offer replacement regrinds initially but you were such a pig that by the time I was exchanging for faultless cams you were persona non grata.

you got what you deserved.

most people understand that its difficult for a small niche business - except you of course. thet cam swop was at a terrible sacrifice to me.

keep it up FF. nobody takes you up on any of the mods you do. nobody gets anything you recommend.

in the meantime all my mods are out there benefitting everyone. ust about every owner has a SRK or auto decomp spring from me. THAT'S REAL HELP!

people want to buy stuff off the shelf ready to go for a little extra and have it covered. they don't want to be told to buy a valve and grind it and machine it themselves.

when you stop ****-sucking with all yer little mates and all your 'thanks' to each other your nothing but a copy cat who passes everything off as his own work.

your a fraud

Taffy

Taffy said:

when you stop ****-sucking with all yer little mates and all your 'thanks' to each other your nothing but a copy cat who passes everything off as his own work.

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Dude ... COME THE **** ON ... that's REALLY rude, your varyingly fresh blue-collar humor aside ... Do you have some kind of business death wish? You really, really have to stop blaming Bushmechanic for yourself digging that grave and lighting your business on fire by managing in the end to offend ab-so-lutely everyone.

I BUY STUFF FROM PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE
I DO NOT BUY STUFF FROM UNPROFESSIONAL PEOPLE

There, now figure the rest out both for your own good and to spare us your tiresome offensiveness!

since when was this anything to do with you?

just coz I yanked YOUR chain last week.

if i didn't rebuke him for his lies I wouldn't have ba business to run. have to defend myself and my name. if you don't like the way I do it then sorry! right!

so if you don't like it. ignore it or go away!

In the meantime the guy is passing off everything as his own work and can't even credit the places he got the info or the people who told/taught him it. to you he's big, to me he's a con.

I either catch him out or ignore it. even the info above is a distortion by him of the truth and he [pretty much admits it in his reply.

THE COMMENT WAS AIMED FAIRLY AND SQUARELY AT HIM.

not you

I'm really curious what effect you think your behavior will have.

FWIW I took a screenshot of your post before the edit, as well as the rest of the thread.

I'm happy to stand by that!

Abso-*******-lutely spectacular. Come on mate, it was mental health week in Australia last week. If you want a hug just call me :cry:

I'm on about Lineaweaver and just 'the doc' in general. he also knows I mean that even if you don't fella OK?

I don't expect anything off him except what he is.

Taffy

Hi all

Tourist is right, this is a public space, if Taffy wants to be rude to this point he should use the PM.

You know how it works, don't you, Taffy ?

Some one should have moderator privileges, this is turning in to a hard core place

As I've told you several times Taffy .. BEHAVE !!


ZAGA

I had a cam go bad, Was not one of Taffys, but was a spray welded one soon started to pit, flake disintegrate.

I would be interested to know the procedure of manufacture before I ever tried another modified cam profile.

I am running the KTM 613 supermoto cam know did about 2500 km on it still looks like new, has about 1mm higher lobes than the 08 not sure what that relates to lift at the valve, I will be able check that on reassembly.
The 613 cam still has the convex flanks which is not supposed to be so good on the roller etc, but so far all good. Differance in performance was small but
I am hoping an increase in compression will rectify that.
The original 08 cam spray welded (a mistake as it was in good condition) unfortunately so can not compare the opening and closing points.
With a longer duration cam it may be necessary to raise compression to gain any benefit of the cam as the inlet valve closes later reducing the mesured volume of the cylinder therefore compression.

I am of the belief that long duration high lift cams is a a left over from the poorer filling 2 valves days not so necessary with better valved 4 valve heads.

Taffy, nothing wrong with people modifying valves or any thing else, some of us have imagination! and I am interested to see the frame you are building of coarse!

I love Bushie`s work Very Inspiring and helpful!

Always interested in people that can ADD to the decussion.

Cheers spanner

Well, this went sideways!
Tourist, I don't think posting up a screenshot of something that someone else edited out helps.
There is lots of good info on the site and lots of knowledgable people. Let's keep them all here.

Kayeffess said:

Well, this went sideways!
Tourist, I don't think posting up a screenshot of something that someone else edited out helps.
There is lots of good info on the site and lots of knowledgable people. Let's keep them all here.

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I appreciate what you're saying, I really do, but no, the guy went too far.

Possessing knowledge or not, there is such a thing as a line to cross. There's no need to cross that line, and it's not that hard to just ... not do it.

And even when we do, it's not that hard either to man up and apologise.

It's no good for the site to pretend that everything's OK here, which is how I would feel if I were to back down now. I'm not prepared to feel that way.

Taffy said:

if you use me, you get a warranty whatever happens. even if they don't support me as my cam grinder didn't when I had some made.

but I covered every single one.

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This statement is false and is being used to make money on this site

I posted proof that I was not the only one who lost money

absolutely no lies there

the few people who were very nicely to his lordships were "helped" when they were given one choice ..pay more money to get another "better" cam.

I was not offered this option .. mine was one of the first to go so I was only offered a replacement cam of the same quality as the ones that were failing.. no thanks

damage to the rest of the engines was not covered.

further .. not everyone was given this offer and some thought this offer was unsatisfactory and declined .. so they were not covered ie no refund.

if people know what to expect they can make up their own minds if that constitutes a satisfactory warranty ... or not.

when something goes wrong with a product and communication breaks down the right thing to do is just give the customer their money back .. it works every time and happens everyday in the real world. thereafter they literally have nothing to complain about.

I got what I deserved alright .... I now know where to buy good products from professional genuine people .. priceless information.