electric start

hey new to the board, just came across this site

there is a bunch of really usefull info here it would take me an age to get through it all
and right now im only curious to know one thing so i tought i would get to the point and bring up a topic that im sure ye are all tired of discussing...

i bought a 02 fs650e on wednesday it was a choice between that or an R6

on thursday i spent all day trying to start it but it just was'nt happening.. i felt the electric start was a waste of time i even tried to jump it with the car but still no joy.. i spent the entire day trying to kick it but the husa was stubborn

today i went at it again and managed to get it goin after 45mins so now i can kick start it great... so whats the deal with the electric start is it supposed to work or what

i just want to put this piece of a review i found online from may 2006 im sure most of ye have read it...

"the statring technique? make sure the petcocks are open, pull out the card-mounted enricher; disengage the clutch; squeeze the decompression lever; hit the starter button; let it spin two or three cycles; release the decompression lever and mmwwWWAAAARRrr"
the fs650e will roar to life every time. once i figured out this technique. i secured the kickstart lever and never looked back."


a question on the above review what are the petcocks and the car-mounted enricher is that the choke he is referring to

also how many of ye can start your fs650e's with the button if so can ye pass on your secrets

heres a few pics of my bike in all her stubborn glory

This is a very nice bike and I hope you saw it start before your eyes, probably on the button when hot?

You need to give it a good strong kick, all the way from the top. Find the soft spot after TDC (point of most resistance), use the decomp lever by the clutch lever to pass. And after that, kick it like a man. Be the spark!

Come back and tell us. But your location so we know where you live!

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LeFrog said:

This is a very nice bike and I hope you saw it start before your eyes, probably on the button when hot?

You need to give it a good strong kick, all the way from the top. Find the soft spot after TDC (point of most resistance), use the decomp lever by the clutch lever to pass. And after that, kick it like a man. Be the spark!

Come back and tell us. But your location so we know where you live!

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hey man tks for the complement and the reply

i have the nack in kick starting it now, it took a while but i got it...

what im trying to figure out is why wont it start with the button and what are petcocks

a guy that works in a bike shop told me that he sold a few husabergs over the years and none of them have ever started by the button and i tought that cant be right so where better to ask than here... you know whats the point of including a button start if it aint gonna work

oh yea im living in the good old green isle better known as ireland

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The enricher is the choke and the petcocks are the petrol valves on the tank.

What does it do when you use the starter button? Does it try to turn over? Does it just make a clicking sound? Is the battery completely dead?

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SuperMotoMike said:

The enricher is the choke and the petcocks are the petrol valves on the tank.

What does it do when you use the starter button? Does it try to turn over? Does it just make a clicking sound? Is the battery completely dead?

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hey tks for the reply

so the petcocks are the two pegs at either side of the petrol tank that turn on and off the petrol..

on thursday nite i put the battery on charge for a few hrs and again on friday morning while i was making the coffee.. so the battery had plenty of charge in it and just to be sure i got the jump leads out and hooked it up to the car.. turned the ignition pulled in the decompression lever in and hit the start button i could hear it spin a good few times and then the battery starts to fade so i turned it off

i was going to buy a new battery anyway (i usually do when i buy a bike thats a few yrs old) but when i talked to that guy and he was saying that he never sold one that started from the buttom i just gave up on the button idea and started kickin like a mofo

im just curious as to why it wont start from the buttom and how many other people have the same problem

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They start flawlessly on the button from 2004 on, and this due to the fact that the Kokusan ignition gives a better spark, that it has a better carburetor, a new auto decomp device on the camwheel, among other internal parts that help do that. I am glad you got it going now.

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Mine starts every time with the button. I would try a new battery...

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right ill pick up a new battery and let ye know who it works out

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Your 2006 starts on the button every time?

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y'all are over looking that he has a 2002, and not only a 2002 but the 650 to boot. Raven, there are MANY pages of fixes for your hot button, but what you will need to swallow is that your hot button on that 02 is just that, a HOT button. it was not designed to be an e-start, rather a re-start. check the valves, (some say a bit on the snug side for the hot button) make sure your jetting is good, if you try and start that bike from cold with the button, you will inevitably drain your battery and spin your sprauge clutch, curse like a sailor and possibly end up with broken foot from kicking the bike (and not to start it).

does your bike start on the button when hot?

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risky1 said:

y'all are over looking that he has a 2002, and not only a 2002 but the 650 to boot. Raven, there are MANY pages of fixes for your hot button, but what you will need to swallow is that your hot button on that 02 is just that, a HOT button. it was not designed to be an e-start, rather a re-start. check the valves, (some say a bit on the snug side for the hot button) make sure your jetting is good, if you try and start that bike from cold with the button, you will inevitably drain your battery and spin your sprauge clutch, curse like a sailor and possibly end up with broken foot from kicking the bike (and not to start it).

does your bike start on the button when hot?

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oh ok a re-start makes better sense now

do you mean that the '02 650 was a bad choice?

ive only been out on it today for about 30mins... when i got back and turned it off im almost certain i tried it with the button and it didnt start

what about the hi-low switch would that make any difference to a cold/hot start

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NO I don't mean to tell you the 650 was a bad choice, granted the '02 had some issues, but they can be reliable and easy starters with some updates. I just meant you had an 02 and it was 650, the biggest bike to kick over. All i meant was that in terms e-start/restart bikes the 02's should have just had a plate installed over the hole where the starter goes from the factory. I owned an 02 470, and with some minor fiddling even by an shade tree mechanic I got it to start easily first kick hot or cold. i just forgot the hot button was there...

no that hi/lo switch does not do anything for starting to my knowledge.

a suggestion would be to get a spare stator, used, or use your own and send it off to "sparks" and have it rewound. it will produce better spark and help that monster fire quickly!

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Hi Guys,

Even with the Kokusan & keihin combo and a whole lot of work by my dealer my 04 650 has only started cold once or twice on the button.

Here's the rub...

What I have enjoyed thus far is the laughs, jeers and silly comments from others when I pull out the left kickstart. Turn the fuel on and pump the throttle (once) and first kick every time.

Then for the rest of the day no probs off the button. I've heard the same from a lot of guys with a 644cc bike so maybe it relates to that. The later 628 didn't seem to have as many issues.

BTW : Don't know of any 450 or 550 that will not start off the button - even cold.

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risky1 said:

NO I don't mean to tell you the 650 was a bad choice, granted the '02 had some issues, but they can be reliable and easy starters with some updates. I just meant you had an 02 and it was 650, the biggest bike to kick over. All i meant was that in terms e-start/restart bikes the 02's should have just had a plate installed over the hole where the starter goes from the factory. I owned an 02 470, and with some minor fiddling even by an shade tree mechanic I got it to start easily first kick hot or cold. i just forgot the hot button was there...

no that hi/lo switch does not do anything for starting to my knowledge.

a suggestion would be to get a spare stator, used, or use your own and send it off to "sparks" and have it rewound. it will produce better spark and help that monster fire quickly!

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this being my first supermoto i wasnt sure if i had bought a bad bike i took it for a quick spin around the shop where i bought it and fell in love with it.. the mechanic that worked on it raced supermoto and he was pulling wheelies and stoppies for ages on it and even genuinely asked if i would sell it

i found this in the owners doc on this site.. some good reading there

"Weak and failing electric starter '00 - '02
For three years owners struggled with weak starters that were classified as 'restarters' and only to be used after the engine was warm. Typically the starter would spin through and not quite 'catch' the engine and batteries went flat quickly.

There was an error in the '03 parts manual whereby they simply failed to realise that the whole set up had been upgraded for that year. The parts book was corrected in '04 when Husaberg went to the present Parts # system"

i dont have much knowledge with the mechanics of bikes so i didnt understand much of what your saying about what can be done to improve the starter to get it to spark better.. im happy kick starting the bike now, today it started in a couple of kicks, even if it takes a while the rewards are well worth it.. where im living it eats up the roads, im having way more fun on the fs than i would on an R6


fu$k it im hooked... kick start rules 8)

Just a quick note on battries. Guessing my original battery was on the way out ( Yuasa ytz7s ) I purchased a cheaper copy (made in China) put it on charge over night.
When i was about to put it in ( a fair task ) i thunk to myself "this new battery looks like ****". So i took them both and had them tested, the 1 year old Yuasa outperformed the new battery by a fair margin

I don't have a de-comp lever on my 02 FE 501 and I've given up on the e start for the following reasons; 1/ You all seem to say 02's and older have always had bad e- starts; 2/ you look very silly sitting there draining the battery, & 3/ I feel that before I develop the luxury of a button start, I must master the art of kick starting it...what if I get a flat battery out enduroing etc... so... I'm developing my technique based on all your experience, no choke, no throttle, just a tad past TDC and a strong full stroke kick. This works for me after about 5 - 10 kicks (still having to stand up on a proped up bike though - short legs or bad technique ??).....so here's the question..when finding TDC how do you know you've got it on the compression stroke. Is this important, and could this be why I'm taking 10 kicks as I'm going on compression & exhaust ??

do you still have the kickstart comp release connected? if so, its hard to find tdc compression if you engage it by kicking it from full up (you will hear a click when the kicker is all the way up and this means the autodecomp is engaged.) if you don't let it all the way up so it doesn't click and then push down it will be like hitting a wall when you are at tdc. use your manual release to just get past it about 3". its now in the right position to kick.

total newb question

what dose tdc stand for.. ive seen it mentioned in other posts and undestand what it is just dont know what it means...

top dead centre. when the piston reaches it's highest obtainable point regardless of 'marks on flywheels' etc.

regards

Taffy

Taffy said:

top dead centre. when the piston reaches it's highest obtainable point regardless of 'marks on flywheels' etc.

regards

Taffy

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nice one..