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Palle

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I might be totally out of bounds, or maybe im just not like the rest of the world, who says the 09-12 husabergs turns and feels like a 250.
I had a 450 -08 before wich i felt like it was a 250. easy to ride, fast cornering.
Now i bought a 2011 and it feels heavier in trails. it wants to go straight forward in the bends. the 70 degree works alot better at the gravel roads for me.

from all ive read before it suppose to be the other way around.

I need your opinions on this. you, who have tried em all or just both.
 
70 deg carries it centre of gravity up high

Crank where it is in the 70 deg engine is good for some things and not for others


My 700 has it's cog 90 mm lower than the 08 chassis it started life in

Subjectivity of handling makes comparisons hard to evaluate but there is a good reason the 501 which replaced the 70 deg engines is such a nice well behaved mAchine
 
I ran a FE390 and loved it on more open terrain but that pig would wear your *** out in the woods. After all my mods that beast weighed in around 260-270.

That being said, it was one of the most planted bikes I have raced.
 
They are very sensitive about geometry and suspension. When I changed springs to suit my weight and clicked my suspension it transformed. When I have a nice pace it's nimble and nice but for sure in slower sections you can feel the weight. That high CG can't magically be engineered away with rotating masses. So I agree, the bike do feel heavy. Unless you pick up some more fluent pace and then it do feel light compared to other heavy bikes.

But in your case where your bike wants to go forward in bends, I think that might be down to geometry. What springs do you have, what is your weight and how high do you have your forks?
 
Well. I use it for roadbook competitions. In hobby. So there its perfect. Going fast on small gravel roads. But i was on a enduro track yesterday and i thought it would be easier then it was. My 08 was alot easier there. Think i might have to get m e a 350 for The enduro, so i can have the right setup for The condition.

But in this meaning i do feel a bit decieved from all ive heard about The 70 degrees 450 feeling like a 250. Ofc my setup must have some to do with it. Didnt think of that when i allmost died of The struggle.
 
Palle said:
Well.

But in this meaning i do feel a bit decieved from all ive heard about The 70 degrees 450 feeling like a 250. Ofc my setup must have some to do with it. Didnt think of that when i allmost died of The struggle.
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My first berg was a 06 FE550 my second a 10 FE390 my third a 2013 TE250. Had i bought the 2 stroke first i wouldn't have ended up with 3 bergs ..2 strokes are where its at if you want light fast and flickable in the woods ..save the four strokes for fire roads and happy trails ..when the tough gets going nothing beats a wide ratio 6 speed transmission and a 2 stroke engine designed for chugging or ripping off road ...i have recently sold my 390 i will be keeping the 550 because I'm a power junky and that thing flies i have it geared more to be a dual sporter now.
 
I had alot of 2 strokes. But i just like The 4 strokes more. So i think im gonna have look at The 350 for enduro.
 
If your 70-degree wants to go in a straight line, I'm confident you have a low rear and high front = raked out forks = lots of trail = lots of corrective effect of road surface on steering as the ground has more leverage against the point / axis of steering

In other words: Where do the forks sit in the clamps? What are your rear sag numbers?
 
If its original spring on the shock it's a 72. That is soft for a standard Nordic person (I don't know maybe you are below average in weight?). I'm 83 kg in the sauna and I use a 80 spring. I can't remember now what I have in the forks but they are a bit stiffer too. With my weight and gear the sag on my bike is spot on. Also when I push down at the foot pegs the bike goes evenly down instead of sagging at the back.
 
Its just been rebuildt with harder springs both back and front. Works as i said well for The purpose its intended for. Dirt roads and trails. Its more that i thought it be alot better handling on the track then my old bike
 
I wouldnt say its difficult to turn, average, not good not bad, reckon something is up if its pushing through turns.
As mentioned its super stable at high speed.
 
tourist said:
If your 70-degree wants to go in a straight line, I'm confident you have a low rear and high front = raked out forks = lots of trail = lots of corrective effect of road surface on steering as the ground has more leverage against the point / axis of steering

In other words: Where do the forks sit in the clamps? What are your rear sag numbers?
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No time to remove the end to look at The rear susp. But forks are at top yes.
Il start moving it down and see what happends. Thnx
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And in all my outofbreath i had The map at wild The whole time as well. Havnt got around to test the mapswitch rly much yet as i just bought The bike
 
Palle said:
No time to remove the end to look at The rear susp. But forks are at top yes.
Il start moving it down and see what happends. Thnx
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And yeah, it's interesting to try it! There isn't really any "WRONG" way to set up the suspension. Until you come to the point where you can't control the bike of course :) But everybody likes something slightly different and there are endless variations. At least I had A LOT of fun messing around with the suspension and seeing what happened! And just a millimeter or two up/down front or rear is enough to feel it.
 
I think I've been a little let down with the feel of my 390 too.
It's my 4th trailbike. Previously rode an xr250r, wr250f then a drz400 and the 390 feels just as heavy in most situations.. Go figure.
I love the tractability of the EFI though and the 6speed.
 
Palle said:
I might be totally out of bounds, or maybe im just not like the rest of the world, who says the 09-12 husabergs turns and feels like a 250.
I had a 450 -08 before wich i felt like it was a 250. easy to ride, fast cornering.
Now i bought a 2011 and it feels heavier in trails. it wants to go straight forward in the bends. the 70 degree works alot better at the gravel roads for me.

from all ive read before it suppose to be the other way around.

I need your opinions on this. you, who have tried em all or just both.
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Hello Palle

the chances of getting the right information on this site are the same as getting the truth from a politician.....zero accept that the one that told you the truth was lying as well.

Bushie has got this crank thing COMPLETELY upside down. the crank is 160mm further back as well as the 100mm up (or is it the other way around....where's the truth when you want to find it?:p:p:p)

the important bit it that the crank is further back.

the LDC/70d engines are lighter to steer for sure but they have too much trail on the steering. turn the steering stem so that the forks are as far away from you as possible. if they are 18/20s then set them to 20. better still, buy an old set of 22s from just about ANY husaberg from 2003-2008.

also, your rear sag wants to be nearer to 90-95mm and not 100-100-120mm like some people. I won a championship and was runner up by about 30 seconds (after a seasons racing) in another three years ago on a 570 at the age of 52.

regards

Taffy
 
Thanks for The response all of you.
Im mostly using it for rallys. As hellas next week. And ive gotten a bit more used to it. It is alot steadier then a feellighter bike. I wouldnt take this bike to a hard enduro course and i wouldnt bring a 300 2stroke to a rally.
As i started to know The bike and set The suspension closer to as i like it. It all works better for my routes of choice.
 
kwilson said:
I ran a FE390 and loved it on more open terrain but that pig would wear your *** out in the woods. After all my mods that beast weighed in around 260-270.

That being said, it was one of the most planted bikes I have raced.
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I totally agree with this statement and I have a FE450 it completely rocks in fast open terrain and I've set it up for more dual sport riding after getting so worn out with it in the woods. And yes, the suspension is setup for me by Dale EO which was the best thing I did to this bike.

Then I bought a FE250 OMG do I love this bike in the woods! It flies and after adding a magic Rekluse clutch I don't get so tired and I'm really using the motor whereas the 450 I had to be careful. I rode it yesterday at this "trail" ride which was all ATV's and MUD everywhere. I was the only motorcycle out there but with the Rekluse I putted up everything and had a blast. :cool:
 
Taffy said:
Hello Palle

the chances of getting the right information on this site are the same as getting the truth from a politician.....zero accept that the one that told you the truth was lying as well.

Bushie has got this crank thing COMPLETELY upside down. the crank is 160mm further back as well as the 100mm up (or is it the other way around....where's the truth when you want to find it?:p:p:p)

the important bit it that the crank is further back.

the LDC/70d engines are lighter to steer for sure but they have too much trail on the steering. turn the steering stem so that the forks are as far away from you as possible. if they are 18/20s then set them to 20. better still, buy an old set of 22s from just about ANY husaberg from 2003-2008.

also, your rear sag wants to be nearer to 90-95mm and not 100-100-120mm like some people. I won a championship and was runner up by about 30 seconds (after a seasons racing) in another three years ago on a 570 at the age of 52.

regards

Taffy
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get ****** ******

the higher crank is worse for some things

you cant have a win win

ask gazza which is better lol
 

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