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September 30th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by pollo
I'll never put a 120/100/18 on my 650. Even if the S-12 140 is similar to 120 . I've put 130/90/18 but others might want to put them skinnier tall tires on there. After burning up this scorpion pro 140 im going with the IRC M5B 140/80/18. The size recomended for my bike. Why don't you put a 80/100 /21 tire up front to go with it that xtra ? Might as well.
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Dude, it's the SAME WIDTH TIRE as Michelin's 140. It's the SAME PHYSICAL SIZE as Michelin's 140/80-18. Just trying to be helpful. I know what I'm talking about, and it would work just fine on your bike. The Pirelli will hold up better than the S12, believe me. The IRC M5B is a gigantic, heavy tire. If you are after maximum width, then you found it. It is a wider tire than what came stock on your Husaberg , even though the size looks to be the same

The Scopion Pro you refer to is a "Euro" knobby, which restricts the knob height to 13mm. So of course you burned through it on your 650. The same tire lasted all of about 300 miles on my 550. All the DOT Euro knobbies like the Scopion Pro are sized as 140/80-18, regardless of the manufacturer. They are the same size as a real 17mm knobby in a 120/100.
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Unless youve ridden a 650 you may not realize what this bike does to tires. I even tried the 150 size Teraflex. The biggest , heaviest tire That tire weighs 19 pounds and even though I didn't like it as much for dual sport my bike had no problem spinning that tire and even creating a little chunk. I could climb almost anything with the hook up on that tire. I got no problem trying the M5B. I have a bridgestone 120/80/19 on my 450 and can see how the width looks. Now tell me why Pirelli scorpion 140 is the same as 120 when Pirelli mx xtra 120 is th same. Same company. Have you noticed the width between the swingarm of the bergs? And have you noticed the size of the rear wheel and the hubs compared to a motocross bike. The bergs werent designed for a 120. Maybe you will tell me that the Metzeler 6 days extreem 140/80/18 that came on the Bergs as well as the KTM 530 in 08 are 120s also
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Unless youve ridden a 650 you may not realize what this bike does to tires. I even tried the 150 size Teraflex. The biggest , heaviest tire That tire weighs 19 pounds and even though I didn't like it as much for dual sport my bike had no problem spinning that tire and even creating a little chunk. I could climb almost anything with the hook up on that tire. I got no problem trying the M5B. I have a bridgestone 120/80/19 on my 450 and can see how the width looks. Now tell me why Pirelli scorpion 140 is the same as 120 when Pirelli mx xtra 120 is th same. Same company. Have you noticed the width between the swingarm of the bergs? And have you noticed the size of the rear wheel and the hubs compared to a motocross bike. The bergs werent designed for a 120. Maybe you will tell me that the Metzeler 6 days extreem 140/80/18 that came on the Bergs as well as the KTM 530 in 08 are 120s also
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Good luck on your tire quest, Mr Pollo.
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Try the M-12 . Lasts a bit longert than a S12 . does not come in the 140 but the way each manufacturer sizes their tires is not the way it used to be. I dont find the width to be a factor but then again I dont have a big 650. The other thing you may think about is learning throttle control and not spinning the rear as much. Sounds cool and looks cool but when its spinin you aint goin forward

I have found the S12 front M12 rear a great combination for the high dez and also single track in the trees of the Sierra. They still work pretty well when worn and M12 dont chunk too bad
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I will second the M12. The only downside is that it's not DOT approved, if thats a concern.
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Thanks guys. And I diidn't mean to rag on you so much john. Must be part of my nature Anyway, Haven't tried the M12 as yet on the tire quest but every time I try a different one I get and clear idea and comparison with the others. I got em sized up as to which I like the best so far. The S12 was the best hookup and didn't wear to terribly fast and didn't chunk to much. Maybe the 140 is the same as a 120 John but it sure looked bigger than the Pirelli 140 side by side besides having taller knob hieght. So then I wonder how the Pirelli mx xtra 120 would measure up to the scorpion 140. The scorpion is a meager tire with those short DOT knobs.
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Just wondering that if the S12 140 is the same as 120 then the M12 130 is the same as a 110? And so on down. Michelin has 120s and that would mean they could possibly be 100s?. I don't think Ive seen 100's even on motocross bikes.
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Just wondering that if the S12 140 is the same as 120 then the M12 130 is the same as a 110? And so on down. Michelin has 120s and that would mean they could possibly be 100s?. I don't think Ive seen 100's even on motocross bikes.
You would have to go back to the 125 two stroke days, before the 250F's took over, to find any 100 section tires that came stock on dirt bikes. But, they did.

On Michelin's sizing--for a while the North American distributor was putting 120/100 stickers on the sidewalls of the 140/80 S12's and M12's. Yes, the 130 Michelins = everyone else's 110's.

Back in the middle 90's, we had a couple of National Enduros here in Lubbock. Two years in a row I was on the same row as Randy Hawkins, who ended up winning I think 7 National Enduro titles.

Anyway, Hawkins was a long-time Pirelli sponsored rider. He always used the old school M16 rears. They are still made today. I have the 120/100/18 on my Berg right now. It is a big honkin' tire, that hooks up good everywhere. It is not a good pure mud or pure sand tire, but is a dang good intermediate tire.

If I knew how to post a pic, I'd show you the M16 mounted. It is 650-worthy for sure. Try that IRC M5B. It has huge knobs and is pretty wide as well. It is definitely more of a soft terrain tire than an intermediate tire, though.
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Your not the first one that has told me that. I heard about michelin before but must have forgot. Now I have a Michelin Desert front that is supposed to be a 90/90/21. Those Michy people!!!. This makes me want to put the real scorpion 90/90/21 back on. It was a good front but wore fast. IRC 130/80/18 is also an option and who knows, maybe I will end up trying the M16 since I liked the fake numbered S12.
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So I measured the scorpion pro 140/80/18 and sure enough it's fake!! Not a conventional size. It's measured like the michies to the outside of the knobs. My Bridgestone is measured as all the others. to the knob, but not to the complete outside. Does anyone know now whether the scorpion pro front 90/90/21 is actually a 80/100/21? Or is it just the rear that comes out to be a 120?
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