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February 8th, 2010, 09:00 AM   #1
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Anybody running trial tires on the 2009 - 2010 Bergs??

Any impressions?

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Re: Trials Tires

I use a Pirelli MT43 on my Suzuki DR & my friend also uses one on his Sherco 4.5i. Fantastic tire -- we both love them! I works magically in rocky/rooty terrain & I don't have any issues with it in the mud either. Sometime it grips too much, like if you need to turn around in a tight spot & you want to spin the tire to swing the bike around. I have not tried it in sand but I would image a wider regular knobby might be better?

I have about 1100km on mine (lots of highway) & it still looks great. Bombing around town I run it with 22 psi. On the trail I drop it down to 14 psi but that's because I do not have a rim lock. My friend runs it at 10 psi on his Sherco (w/rim lock) but I have heard of other riders running it as low as 6 psi.

The MT43 is the only DOT trials tire that I know of. The thing is, it's not "exactly" a trials tire. Sure, it may look like a trials tire, but it is in fact different from a true trials tire. The MT43 has much stiffer/thicker side walls than a traditional trails tire, and deeper/harder lugs because it is designed for much longer wear.

Funny enough, I got the idea to run the MT43 from a Husaberg rider I met on a trail last year & all he did was rave about the tire -- he was on a FE650.
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I am getting to the point where I will need to replace the Bridgestone that came with the bike. I am considering a Trials tire. I can't remember the Trials tire that Tasky's recommended to me - but IIRC it wasn't the Pirelli. It was the one he had on his Christini and it was a real Trials tire, not a DOT tire. Of course, the Bridgestone that came on my 570 wasn't DOT either. I don't think LEOs here care, although if you got in an accident on the street an insurance company might use that as an excuse to not payup - but in a court case, they would have to show evidence that the accident was caused by the tire choice or that it contributed to the cause. Unless you had a tire failure I don't think that would be all that easy.

The only time I wish I had a Trials tire is when I am trying to get over some smooth slippery surface, like a rock or tree root - but I encounter those a lot. The rest of the time the knobby seems to do okay. I have followed someone with a Trials tire on the same trails and they did as good or better than I did. I guess the proof will be in the pudding when I switch. I figure the tire probably won't last any longer than the knobby since it will be a true soft Trials tire and not one of those DOT tires. Not sure how it will work on the pavement - I have to ride 25 miles each way on pavement to get to my trails.
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From what I can gather, the Michelin is super soft compound and side wall construction, followed by the Dunlop Radial being a little bit harder compound. The Pirelli has a stiffer sidewall and harder compound.

The reason I posed the question centers around the torque of the 4T Bergs. Some of the guys I ride with are concerned that the torque of the 4T will just either shred the tread blocks off or spin the tire on the rim.

If anyone has any experience running them on the Bergs I would be interested in you comments about their concerns. The OE rear tire is really bad in mud and wet stuff, and I am torn between getting an S12 XC for the rear, or going the trials route when the time comes.

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That was the one - the Dunlop - that I recall Jeff at Taskys recommending
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I had tried a trials tire on my KTM 450 before and didn't like the braking change. The bike brakes totally different than I like with my style. I now use the MotoZ tires front and rear and love them. The stock M70 rear from my FX450 was garbage and came off after my first ride.
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Re: Trials Tires

i used dunlop trials on my 450 and loved them. they even came with a "wear marker" (when all the center knobs were gone, it was time to get a new one). i found a good deal on the michilin trials and switched over and that cured the center knob tearing problem. even when the tire was significantly worn at about 35 hrs (we have very abrasive surfaces here), the traction was still great, even in mud. i never noticed a major difference in braking performance.
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I have had a Michelin X11 trials tyre on the rear of my 2000 501 for nearly a year now. Climbing hills with tree roots and wet rocks coming out of creeks are easy. Coming down the hills the back brakes do most of the work. the grip is incredible. I use my bike regularly at a local track as well with lots of hardpack and after 6 months membership the tyre is about half worn but still quite useable. Backing it in to the corners is hard to guage because you come you a dead stop about 10 feet before the apex if steppng straight from a knobby. A trials tyre has heaps of drive but no sideways grip if spinning fast. So fast take offs and any sort of high speed control in mud is not possible. Of course if you happen to be sideways and the wheel stops spinning you snap back to straight very fast. I guess basically the knobby is designed to be laid over and slid with control where a trials tyre is made to give unconditional drive and grip at slow to medium speeds with a mostly upright bike.

Anyways, Ive been happy with it, for a year I've shown it no mercy on the back of the 501 and try as I might but I haven,t ripped any knobs off yet, no flats, and I've got up every hill, over every log and crawled out of every creek with an ease never experienced with knobbies. In fact, I almost look like I know what I'm doing
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Re: Trials Tires

I really loved the X-11 as well. The only problems were the pinch flats. Had to go back to a knobbie due to pinch flats every couple of rides. I may have to revisit the X-11 with a tubliss system.
I ran the tire for almost a year with no ripped off knobs and very little wear.
Here are some reviews on the X-11.
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Re: Trials Tires

I'm a big fan. Been using trials rears for a few seasons now and would find it hard to go back. I ride rocky, rooty single track most of the time and little pavement. I run 2 rim locks and 8 or 9 psi. Traction is awesome and I also love that I leave less trace on the trails compared to a knobby. I can start easily on most hills and rocks and roots are a breeze.

I've been using michelins or dunlops and get them part used for free from a trials rider I know. I do see lots of cracks around the base of the knobs but they never come off. Mitas make a cheap trials rear and they are OK but lack the ultimate grip of the michelin or dunlop.
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