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January 14th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #1
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I will be having the oil changed in my forks and shock soon. I already have a stiffer 84/250 shock spring and imagine I need to go up on the fork springs too. My 05 650 comes stock with the 4,2 springs so I should probably go with the 4,4. Other than that, from what I have heard, I will request that the air chamber gap be 120mm. Im not sure if I should hava it revalved for my weight and riding ability. Maybe someone who has had a revalve can tell us whether it will be a big positive result with it done. I don't race, but I am intermediate to expert. I have some friends that raced desert trying to convince me too . Because sometimes I leave em, especially in the tights!!
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January 14th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #3
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200 John, 215 with gear. Rear shock around 8mm preload, 33 static, 105 race sag. Feels good and forks don't feel unbalanced but I want the best affect. Im pretty sure I should go up one on fork springs
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200 John, 215 with gear. Rear shock around 8mm preload, 33 static, 105 race sag. Feels good and forks don't feel unbalanced but I want the best affect. Im pretty sure I should go up one on fork springs
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.46 for sure on the fork springs, don't even mess with the .44's. You could probably go to an 8.8 spring out back. The less preload on a no linkage PDS shock the better, because it will be more progressive through the travel. At 215 pounds, you will have a bit of preload if you want to run 105mm sag, but not much.

As far as a revalve, well anything can be made better (or worse). If you have specific issues and know exactly what you want, a good tuner can help.
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Ill go without the revalve for now, I had a feeling I might need the 8.8, and if so then the .46. Either that or say lose 10 puonds. How is 205 with gear and the 84/250 and .44? Also , the 120 air gap.is ok?
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Ill go without the revalve for now, I had a feeling I might need the 8.8, and if so then the .46. Either that or say lose 10 puonds. How is 205 with gear and the 84/250 and .44? Also , the 120 air gap.is ok?
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120 oil level is as high as I personally would go. Oil level mostly affects the last 1/3rd of travel, but too much oil and the WP forks tend to start deflecting off high speed hits. I'd go with the .46 springs regardless of what rear spring you settle on. It will still feel balanced enough front to rear.
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I've decided to have the .44 springs installed along with fork and shock revalve and set up for desert expert at my weight. I think that will be good for me. I may not ride like an expert all the time, but if I want to I can get right down crazy on my bikes. But after 30 years of riding that started out on a 1977 Yamaha YZ 80 I ride a litle more tame most of the time.
As for clicker adjustments, well I have kept them close to stock from the beginning. Now as a note with the stiffer springs and the revalve , will I need to lean towards a little softer compression on forks? I will probably go stock adjustments at first to feel it out. The rear with a heavier spring felt good with the same adjustment.
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46s for sure, i weigh 14 stones and i run 48s up front but i also have the later '05+ frame. on the rear i have the heaqviest progressive they do which i think is a 85/111 or something.

having done 2 katooms and mine which admittedly is not a lot i would say 92 rear or even a 94.

some progressive numbers for you:
PDS0-250 6.5 8.3 ______________7.4 average
PDS1-250 7 9 ___________ 8 average
PDS2-250 7.5 9.7 use .44 fork springs _____ 8.6 average
PDS3-250 8 10.3 _______9.15 average
PDS4-250 8.5 11 ________ 9.75 average

PDS5-265 6.6 8.6 ___________ 7.6 average
PDS6-265 7.15 9.05 _______ 8.1 average
PDS7-265 7.6 9.5 use .44 fork springs _____ 8.55 average
PDS8-265 8.1 9.95 _________ 9 average

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Thanks for the numbers. I'll get this right. I still have a few weeks untill I will drop them off at Precision Concepts here in San Diego.
So, the question I have is this. Some of the riders here are using the .44s at around 190 rider weight. So what would be the aproximate rider weight when you would want to change from the 44s to the 46s?
And Taffy. Does 14 stones = 200lbs? I think I heard you mention your weight before. I guess measurement in stones must be an English term.
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Thanks for the numbers. I'll get this right. I still have a few weeks untill I will drop them off at Precision Concepts here in San Diego.
So, the question I have is this. Some of the riders here are using the .44s at around 190 rider weight. So what would be the aproximate rider weight when you would want to change from the 44s to the 46s?
And Taffy. Does 14 stones = 200lbs? I think I heard you mention your weight before. I guess measurement in stones must be an English term.
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14 stones = 196lbs.


http://www.metric-conversions.org/cgi-b ... m=11&to=12
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