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January 21st, 2006, 07:41 PM   #1
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I am 200 lbs and the manual recommends to change the spings to 4.8 in front and 84/250 in the back which I did.
I have been following the recomedation on the clicks but im lost....
after a few stops in my setting up ride I ended up with more Qustions than answers.
it seems that there is a big difference in my compresion and rebound clicks, shouldn`t they be pretty equal. I counted them and i have 15 turns out rebound and 25 clicks out on compresion. but it feels plush.

in the back i counted 15 rebound, 13 compresion but the bike feels kind of hard, i cant set the correct sag in the rear it turns rock hard.
static is 30 mm as it recommends 5 mm of preload in the spring.


does anyone has the correct settings figured out??? :P
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Re: heavier springs

Do they have a chart in your manual? Which year and model is it?

Spend a few bucks and go see a tuner, it's probably the best thing to spend a few bucks on.

There are a bunch of people who can give you spring rates from the top of their head, but only a pro tuner can make it work for you.
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Re: heavier springs

mr le frog mentioned the chart in your manual , this chart is your best friend set it up as the chart states. then adjust 1or2 clicks at a time noting down the adjustments you make , also it depends on what type of terrain you ride on.
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Re: heavier springs

we need to know where you're from, where you ride, what you ride and year of bike, your level of skill?

then we have the fact that the charts here don't say 84 for your weight or 48 either come to that!!!!

on the rear a progressive rate spring still gets the nod from most and even if it was a straight rate i believe that for 200LB you should be running an 88 or 90 rear. on the front you should be running 46s or 44s.

if you still have the old springs-what were they? fit one old (say 42) with your 48 and see how that feels. this will make an average of 45 for instance.

you won't get the right sag with that spring. i have a letter with david larsson from the factory asking him to clarify the situation. my book says 85-100 but others are using 100-115 and trying to get 115.

remember though that the husey has a slightly different shock angle and the front end on the pre '03s is kicked out and this means we shouldn't follow ktm religously.... be aware!!!!

the forks suffer from too much compression and you have clearly learnt this on yours and wound the clickers right out. you need lighter springs and then a re-valve.

an easy way out has been mentioned with the springs by me above. another 'quickie' is to go to 2.5W oil.

after that i suggest you go to the 'doc' and start studying how it all works. if you're prepared to do the work yourself you could save a lot of money.

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Re: heavier springs

I dont understand why the owners manual has some clicks
settings and the WP manual has others

OM differ in that rebound is 5 clicks out than compresion
WPM has equal sets


I ride in the central mountains over Mexico City.

A rider mid pack

200 lbs

fe 650 e year 2005


WP 4860 MA front had 4.6 springs

PDS 5018 back had 80/250 spring


change springs factory connection recommendation to:

8.5 to 11 kgs back

4.8 front


Preload adjusters were left untoached in front





in the rear I tried to get the right sag by preloading the spring but it gets very hard,
then I read in the manual that I was only to preloasd 5 mm. and left it that way. sag 31 mm

the clicks are about 15 out comp and 15 out rebound


in the front it feels confortable at speed specially in the loos medium size rocks but it pushes off a bit
25 out comp 10 out rebound

will check oil level in front.... what is the correct amount???



Taffy
dont understand about using a combination of springs thought the have to be equal???


thank you
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Re: heavier springs

PDS3-250 to PDS 4-250 in the rear, 4.6 to 4.8 in the front, may not be a necessary respring for your weight. These Swedish-designed, Austrian-built bikes are made for Northern-European types of guys, and they can handle a 200lbs rider as is. But you'll be fine with what you have now.

110mm of oil is what the 48mm WP forks need. No idea how many CCs that is. As Taffy says, Motorex 2.5W is a good oil (pricey stuff, though).

Compression and rebound clicks have nothing in common. You need to setup the compression first, then the rebound. You set up by riding and testing, not by guesstimating in your garage and then you go riding hoping for the best.

You need to dedicate a ride just to that type of stuff, you'll be happy you did.

Compression: how your forks react to terrain roughness. Ride a track or trail with a lot of holes and bumps and adjust until it is stiff but not too much. Go from plush to stiff by cliking IN.

Rebound: how your bike handles in the turns. If the bike tends to wash out: click out, because your rebound damping is just too harsh. If it tends to turn too sharply: click in.

For the rear, adjust your sag first, and then adjust the rebound, then the compression.

It's good to bring a screwdriver on the trail after that, you can always adjust and test right away.
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Re: heavier springs

jezuuuz froggy! since when were you an expert?

well i'll have to give what i think is correct information and mex can make his own mind up.

first of all there has alwayss been a small disparity between the standard clicks in the WP manual and those in the husey hand book. please don't fret because husey order the forks how they want them and so they are entitled to decide how the clicks are set. go by the husey manual.

next. weight of spring. at best they are going to be "firm" at worst, thewy will feel very spiky and brutal-especially the forks.

you can mix one old spring with one new one. how did you come to have .46 in? these are standard are they? well i would recommend that they were better for you. put it this way, i'm 200 pounds and i'm running 46s and thinking of trying a 46 and an old 44. does this help?

how much preload is in the forks? how many plastic rings?

secondly, your old rear spring which was an 80 and made for 150 pound rider is now an 9.75 (half way between 8.5 and 11) and for 240-260 pound rider.

i'm about to test a 88 or 90 straight rate and also a PDS2 which is 7.5 to 9.7 which is an average of 8.6. this will be in the ball park.

with your spring i would try getting your sag figures wiyth NO PRELOAD at all. just turn the ring to pinch the spring and stop it wobbling!

you need 115 race sag and 30-35 sag.

your air gap should not be 110mm as froggy says. forget it. it's about 135-140mm.

although i don't have an '05 or '06 machine, my tuner set my bike to '06 shim stacks so i CAN help here!

you'll end up with your comp wound out completely-all the way i would think. they are very poor and i'm glad i live in a wet country because they 'spike' me enough as it is-awful forks really!

i'm making modifications right now and you're welcome to follow them as you wish.


talking about your coolant again. i would fit a catch bottle from an old yamaha WR400. we have some photos in 'splat's' gallery for you. also the catch bottle is standard on '06s and may be a retro fit.

remember that 2.5 oil will help with little bumps.

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Re: heavier springs

Taffy, not pretending to be an expert, just stating the obvious. I also have been playing with suspension for a while on my own and now spending some serious time learning that stuff.

At his point, he has already changed the springs (which was not necessary, IMHO), all he has to do is play with the clickers until he has it right.

Or he takes it to a pro tuner who will do the job for him, but even then, you still have to adjust the clickers sometimes.

Giving us numbers of clicks and asking us to comment will not do anything because we don't put our asses on his bike.
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Re: heavier springs

berg mex

what we need is this

sag?
race sag?
how much you compressed the rear spring?

let's get that sorted first.

i would be very suprised if you didn't find the front end very harsh.

try and get full travel by having a 135-140mm air gap.

please report back.

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Re: heavier springs

GUYS:

One thing is getting very clear to me. Suspension work is not cut and dry.



I already changed the springs to what factory connection (suspension specialist shop) recommended.
again the same numbers of OM.

with that in mind and following their instuctions I set preloads:
2 washers in front and 5 mm in back

the static sag is 36mm
the other Ill supply as I get the bike back from the shop on friday.

I have been playing arroud with the clicks for 3 rides now.
the bike is a bit hard but plush at speed it takes everything without much effort, but right
before I bleeded it the first time, I had a setting with the clicks that was magic, Funny
thing happened, it turned rock hard and I had a puncture on the first root I hitted.
I have played with the clicks up down every which way and cant get that plush feeling back again.

I have read so many things that Im trully lost by now so a wise thing may be to go back to basics
so I will check oil levels again and go down to 2.5w as recommended. I remember now that I
added some oil before changing the springs.

also, will set the compresion first from soft to hard with no clicks on rebound???. I take it I should not feel
the bumps before I start working on the rebound by hitting up some curves at speed, and see how
it handles better. right???
Then go work on the rear, rebound first then the compresion again from no clicks???


Taffy:


The Owners manual specifies that the bike is set up for a 160-170 lbs person and that
a change of springs is needed. and goes as far as recommending which spring to use.


Im changing up the oil since its small bumps Im trying cope with.. no problems when hitting them at
speed.

I will follow your pregress and send the sag settings soon

thank you guys

regards,

Paco
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