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September 5th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #11
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G-day this is a great thread with lots of good information. I have a 08 fe450 that i wish to lower, i have been looking at the synergy X bushing and Z bolt but they seem to be for the 09 on and i have e-mailed but haven't recived any reply from synergy them selves as to whether their product is suitable. Does anyone know if these products will fit a 08 fe450?
I am also interested to see the post about shifting of the upper shock mount, has this been done on a bike the model of mine?

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Unfortunatly Synergy have replied and can't supply me with any information on weather they can do a x bush for my bike… well actually first the said they can and sent me a link to their site from where i initially contacted them, then i asked again if they had one specefic for my bike or if the 09 on one would fit my bike. To which they asked me if i knew if their 09 on bush would fit my bike… then a different person from synergy asked if my bike had a ktm shock… ffs i have the money they are the guys selling the parts! So i did some research but am not sure the shock itself has a different parts number and the top bolt is a different size but the bottom seems to be the same can anyone advise me as to weather there is a lowering bush that will fit the 08 and older bikes please?

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well you just need to measure the heim bearing that is in there now and you'll see the dimensions or maybe give them the dimensions?

you can only alter the ride height a little if you aren't going to do some work on the swingarm. the real benefit comes from filling a little alloy away from the housing for the bushing and also under the shock at the bottom of the fork. then you can get more rotation!

I started all this when I stated that everything except the X-bushing had a bearing on your suspension. the X-bushing doesn't. every lemming now knows this! but the ACTUAL reason i fitted an X-bushing was because the correct spring and sag means that the seat height is higher up- this is true - but it wasn't for that reason. it is for what is called 'anti-squat'.

with the correct spring and sag for best suspension, the bike lifts up (rises at the back say, at the seat if you like) as you open the throttle! the X-bushing stops this.

so it becomes a double whammy benefit!

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Originally Posted by BKL View Post
Do the eccentric bushings fit the old [2003] shocks? They only list them for 2009 and up.
This is the question i am trying to answer… from best i can tell at this stage is sadly no, as the 09 on the lower mount is female shock male swing arm and the 2000-08 is male shock female swing arm. But i don't know for sure and haven't been able to get any hard and fast answers.
How ever there are other options like shimming the shock, unfortunatly this removes travel and brings bottoming closer. There is the ability to get the shock rebuilt with a shorther piston… i don't know much about this option yet still to research this one. And then there is Bushys mod, cutting dish and tig welder, permanent but doesn't effect travel.
I am still personally hoping that some has found a way to use a offset bushing system in the pre 09 bikes.

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Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
well you just need to measure the heim bearing that is in there now and you'll see the dimensions or maybe give them the dimensions?

you can only alter the ride height a little if you aren't going to do some work on the swingarm. the real benefit comes from filling a little alloy away from the housing for the bushing and also under the shock at the bottom of the fork. then you can get more rotation!

I started all this when I stated that everything except the X-bushing had a bearing on your suspension. the X-bushing doesn't. every lemming now knows this! but the ACTUAL reason i fitted an X-bushing was because the correct spring and sag means that the seat height is higher up- this is true - but it wasn't for that reason. it is for what is called 'anti-squat'.

with the correct spring and sag for best suspension, the bike lifts up (rises at the back say, at the seat if you like) as you open the throttle! the X-bushing stops this.

so it becomes a double whammy benefit!

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Sorry i hadn't seen this post prior to my last reply in this thread. Not really sure how to take some of what your saying so i will ignore the part where you imply i may be a lemming and that thank you for replying and for your contribution. Its funny other kiwis had worned me about you when i bought a Berg, but i would rather respect your knowledge but rude condescending nature is just thatů but at this point i will just ignore it. As things online can be easily mis construed, some thing said in jest is hard to read, with out tone of voice, and body language.

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Ah I see, well let me explain. it is impossible to get an idea through here, or anywhere until something has what is known as 'it's own critical mass'. then it becomes unstoppable.

we follow each other like lemmings because everyone else is doing it. people's ability to take one persons 100% sure advice (as opposed to guessing why a bike has a cough or a splutter which is conjecture) is limited.

everyone is buying my adversaries (but lovely old friends) jetting kits, I could tell you that they are shit but you possibly (and likely) wouldn't listen. another website is littered with people that can't get their bikes running right. Lemmings see?

anyway, I thought you Kiwis were the only ones that said it how it is? (other than B......). I asked my mates dad two weeks ago about playing the All Blacks and he said 'you weren't good enough, and when you play better, you'll win. it's simple!'
I laughed because he told it just the way I do...straight. everyone else thought he was abrupt.

each to their own hey....

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Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
Ah I see, well let me explain. it is impossible to get an idea through here, or anywhere until something has what is known as 'it's own critical mass'. then it becomes unstoppable.

we follow each other like lemmings because everyone else is doing it. people's ability to take one persons 100% sure advice (as opposed to guessing why a bike has a cough or a splutter which is conjecture) is limited.

everyone is buying my adversaries (but lovely old friends) jetting kits, I could tell you that they are shit but you possibly (and likely) wouldn't listen. another website is littered with people that can't get their bikes running right. Lemmings see?

anyway, I thought you Kiwis were the only ones that said it how it is? (other than B......). I asked my mates dad two weeks ago about playing the All Blacks and he said 'you weren't good enough, and when you play better, you'll win. it's simple!'
I laughed because he told it just the way I do...straight. everyone else thought he was abrupt.

each to their own hey....

Taffy
Thank you for your reply. And i was try to inturn be straight up with you.
As i do respect your knowledge, and the fact that you took time to reply to me.
I personally hate the sheepish follow the masses nature of humans at the moment, and how it is effecting the world on a political and social level.
If its any consterlation i haven't bought any part off your counterparts.
Have a good week.
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cheers Hadrian, no problem.

as i say, I have taken suspension and handling way, way, way beyond the average. I'm into anti-squat. if you look back in the annals of UHE history it was the parting of the ways with me and bushie (that and some other things to be fair but it was the catalyst).

basically, if you race and really put strong springs in these Husabergs, they sit up and go striaght off the corner. the more you oopen the throttle hard while cranked over - the more they just lift up and go straight on.

they are set up for people to have the average wooly suspensiona be sitting 25mm lower.

at this height, it isn't a problem. the problem comes about because the seat leaves the rear wheel as you whack the throttle. the chain is trying to pull the rear wheel into the soil and to do it it is taking the rear wheel under the bike, the chain does it. most people think a chain pulls the rear wheel nowhere, some that think about it think it is neutral and a few less think it pulls into the seat. it does with soft sussies.

this gives a harsh ride.

a jacked rear under acceleration gives a comfortable ride but sadly most riders disappeared through the spectator ropes ages ago on the OUTSIDE of the track.

that is because
as you whack the throttle
the wheel drives down
so the seat comes up
so the engine comes up
so the balnace of falling in versus G force pushing you up 'n out is lost because your weight goes up and therefore out.
so none of us like to fall off outwards - very difficult to do
so we straighten up
lose speed
lay it down again
have another go
usually just deciding to pin it on the straight - when you get there - instead

the only way out of this if you do have strong springs is:
a shorter shock......

sorry this is where we came in!

so you see, we want the SAME THING but for totally different reasons.

the X bushing was more commonally used on the front wheel of the pre 2001 KTM. you could fit a 22mm spindle in a 26mm eccentric X bushing and rotate it. everyone did it to change the trail, some (a small handful) just stuck the spindle at 12 o clock and lowered the bike. that was the start of the X bushings.

enjoy!

my friends house in Canterbry was blessed, 2/3rds of his street broke and had to be demolished but his was good.

Taffy
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Originally Posted by Taffy View Post
cheers Hadrian, no problem.

as i say, I have taken suspension and handling way, way, way beyond the average. I'm into anti-squat. if you look back in the annals of UHE history it was the parting of the ways with me and bushie (that and some other things to be fair but it was the catalyst).

basically, if you race and really put strong springs in these Husabergs, they sit up and go striaght off the corner. the more you oopen the throttle hard while cranked over - the more they just lift up and go straight on.

they are set up for people to have the average wooly suspensiona be sitting 25mm lower.

at this height, it isn't a problem. the problem comes about because the seat leaves the rear wheel as you whack the throttle. the chain is trying to pull the rear wheel into the soil and to do it it is taking the rear wheel under the bike, the chain does it. most people think a chain pulls the rear wheel nowhere, some that think about it think it is neutral and a few less think it pulls into the seat. it does with soft sussies.

this gives a harsh ride.

a jacked rear under acceleration gives a comfortable ride but sadly most riders disappeared through the spectator ropes ages ago on the OUTSIDE of the track.

that is because
as you whack the throttle
the wheel drives down
so the seat comes up
so the engine comes up
so the balnace of falling in versus G force pushing you up 'n out is lost because your weight goes up and therefore out.
so none of us like to fall off outwards - very difficult to do
so we straighten up
lose speed
lay it down again
have another go
usually just deciding to pin it on the straight - when you get there - instead

the only way out of this if you do have strong springs is:
a shorter shock......

sorry this is where we came in!

so you see, we want the SAME THING but for totally different reasons.

the X bushing was more commonally used on the front wheel of the pre 2001 KTM. you could fit a 22mm spindle in a 26mm eccentric X bushing and rotate it. everyone did it to change the trail, some (a small handful) just stuck the spindle at 12 o clock and lowered the bike. that was the start of the X bushings.

enjoy!

my friends house in Canterbry was blessed, 2/3rds of his street broke and had to be demolished but his was good.

Taffy
Horst Leitner fan Taffy?
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October 26th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #20
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I guess not HFM?

I know little about the above but I am now intrigued so do explain!

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