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September 2nd, 2016, 01:11 PM   #11
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I have a 570 with a Husaberg 5" rim the aftermarket one /w a Contiforce SM 150/60. Gap at swing arm right side is 6.3mm and left chain side is the same. Hope this Helps. I'm also in the running for that wheel but don't think I'll be getting it came in to late. I can picture a laughing Pollo now.

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Yep, a relative of mine does sell things online. I am going to go to him and ask for some help.

I will let you know
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I'll start this update with a big thank-you to Pollo, who shipped me the rear wheel he was selling in THIS THREAD. It looked like some youngster learned how to change wheels on it, but with a little love, TLC, some 320 grit sandpaper, and about 2 hours of scrubbing off that F'ing duct tape excuse for a wheel strip, I managed to clean them and prep them for powder coating.

I picked them up from a local shop yesterday. Took them home to inspect, and I am thrilled with the results! These things look terrific. I'm hoping that the spokes from my OEM hub are long enough to work with the non-Saxess Behr wheel. As I begin lacing this weekend, I'll let you all know whassup.

See the results for yourself:
5" rim conversion on OEM FS570 hub-imag0463.jpg
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October 6th, 2016, 12:01 PM   #14
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Those look good.
Im glad its working out for you.

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October 10th, 2016, 09:14 AM   #15
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Hiccup: The Behr rim I picked up from Pollo is drilled for a different lace pattern than the OEM hub is designed for. Allow me to get all geometry up in this be-otch.

These rims have 36 spokes, which means that each spoke is 10 degrees apart from the next. Each side of the hub (left/right) has 9 pairs of spokes that pull the hub toward the rim in a single radial direction. This is advantageous for a number of reasons that I won't get into now. Each pair of spokes will consist of one that connects to the leading edge (front) of the hub and one on the trailing edge (back). The result is that each pair of spokes is roughly 40 degrees from the next pair [9x40=360]. Yes, these pairs will criss-cross each other from where they anchor on the hub, but they will not cross where they anchor to the rim.

If you break that down another way, that means that the nipple pattern can be clustered into groups of four nipples, each with a specific orientation it was intended to hold. This pattern will describe the lace it will support.

If I were to begin at the valve stem, and work my way up the rim, as looking down into the channel, we could record a pattern for the rim. Note that the rim will be symmetrical if we were to rotate the plane of the rim 180 degrees around the axis created through the valve stem to the middle of the hub, and beyond. Below, I will use letters to describe the direction of each spoke, as seen by the rim, based upon descriptions above.

The OEM 4.25" Husaberg FS570 Behr Saxess rim has the pattern of
Vv-FL - FR - BL - BR
Vv-FR - FL - BR - BL
Above is for the 5" Behr rim I got from Pollo. Markings on the rim suggest it is 2002 era.

As you can tell by that pattern, I can lace one side of the hub just fine (sacrificing 30+ minutes of work) by shifting the hub one spoke in either direction. The result is:
Vv-FL - FR - BL - BR
BL-Vv - FR - FL - BR
The Front Right and Back Right line up, so I could do the whole right side. But then when I try and lace up the left side of the hub, the spokes are coming in at opposite directions from where the rim is drilled.

This is, clearly, a problem. I'm going to place some calls to a few spoke shops and see if there's a single-side spoke solution. Might not be a possibility.

If all else fails, I can replace the non-cush hub back in the 5" rim that it was shipped with. Not my preference, as that would negate my goals stated in this thread....
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October 10th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #16
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Sorry Slothfryk,

I didn't know this rim would not fit your cush hub.
In fact I had thought about lacing a cush drive before I ended up buying a complete cush wheel.

Just now I have done a google search and heard that the spoke angle is different with a cush wheel rim and non cush rim.

The wheel aslo could not go back to 2002. Different axle diameter.

It will bolt up and work just fine with its original hub. But I know its not what you intended.

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Hey Pollo, no stress man. I didn't mean to insinuate that this was in any way your doing. This little experiment is all on me.

I am very impressed with your Google ability. I tried doing some research on the topic, and couldn't find anything about spoke angles, but maybe I just quit my searching early.

Yes, I will likely just put it back on the standard direct-drive hub for my upcoming event, and see how it feels. I'll investigate a cush alternative later. I have, though, reached back out to LeDelmo to see if he'd be comfortable shipping that rear wheel he has.

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When I read your post today I googled in.."Ktm non cush rim fit Cush Hub"
I then saw a topic in Supermoto junkie.."How to go about fitting Cush drive"
One of the first answers was about the Cush drive rims being specific with spoke angle.

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Today I had a discusion with a wheel specialist who owns a big company and lacing my rear 17X5 rim and asked about abv hickup and was informed that you are right 100%.
It all depends on the specific angle from the specific rim.

Also I was informed that Excel rims ( Japan made ) quality wise are much better then original Behr rims ( German made ) which I was non aware of either as was under intention of opposite.
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