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March 25th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #31
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Hi Gforce,
Im just up the road from you and as with Steve I use Suttos for spares, Ijust ring them, they are pretty friendly and helpful and usually 1 -2 days supply. Some of our local jap dealers cant do that, so you dont have to worry too much there. I ride withg a couple of blokes on 450 & 525 ktooms, they overheat regularly, whereas the 501 has never given me any problems in that area (with no fan).
I have had some other reliability issues, BUT, as I am getting more familiar with the bike I am finding i am probably more to blame than the bike for the problems I have encountered. Dont seem to be too many problems with the new ones goin on the info from the members that have them.

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March 26th, 2007, 01:19 PM   #32
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The Two Wheels article was written by Tony Kirby who can ride OK. He used to be the one man band that put out SideTrack until he burnt himself out.

Have you ever noticed how the mags hype how good the current model is and how great the improvements are and you are left with the impression that it just can't get any better? Then the next year the cycle continues, and last year's greatest ever is now flawed in so many ways? Marketing is the answer, for both mags and manufacurers.

Rider/Buyer beware, ride it for yourself and decide.

One of my favourites is the YZ/WR evolution. Every year they have had suspension problems and every year they fix it with new linkages, ratios, valving etc.

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March 26th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #33
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Hi Gforce,
Im just up the road from you and as with Steve I use Suttos for spares, Ijust ring them, they are pretty friendly and helpful and usually 1 -2 days supply. Some of our local jap dealers cant do that, so you dont have to worry too much there. I ride withg a couple of blokes on 450 & 525 ktooms, they overheat regularly, whereas the 501 has never given me any problems in that area (with no fan).
I have had some other reliability issues, BUT, as I am getting more familiar with the bike I am finding i am probably more to blame than the bike for the problems I have encountered. Dont seem to be too many problems with the new ones goin on the info from the members that have them.

Mick
Sounds good, thanks. I've also learned that a lot of parts are interchangeable with KTM's.
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March 26th, 2007, 06:33 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by steve
The Two Wheels article was written by Tony Kirby who can ride OK. He used to be the one man band that put out SideTrack until he burnt himself out.

Have you ever noticed how the mags hype how good the current model is and how great the improvements are and you are left with the impression that it just can't get any better? Then the next year the cycle continues, and last year's greatest ever is now flawed in so many ways? Marketing is the answer, for both mags and manufacurers.

Rider/Buyer beware, ride it for yourself and decide.

One of my favourites is the YZ/WR evolution. Every year they have had suspension problems and every year they fix it with new linkages, ratios, valving etc.

Steve
Yep. sounds like exactly the same crap as the road bike world.
It's seams to me that the British mags are not so bad though.

Some of my friends are organising a ride for me where I can try their bikes(no bergs ) so I can have a more clear idea.

One more question. I know that weight is very important in handling, and I would definitely prefer a healthy balance between power & handling. The 650 is the same weight on paper as the 550 and 450.
That's why I want the 650, thinking I'll have the same handling as a 450 but a lot more power in reserve. Am I correct or not?
In road bike language, they say the same thing, like the 600 or the 750 is the perfect balance, the 1000 is "too much" etc,etc. I respect that everybody have different preferences, but I was never been unhappy with the handling of mine while enjoying the sadistic explosive power of the 1000. Yes, when I rode the 600/750 s I noticed the slightly more nimbleness but it didn't impressed me that much. Much more however, I missed the power everywhere, it simply wasn't there. I can't live without the thrill the 1000 cc can offer.
Is it different with dirt bikes?
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March 26th, 2007, 06:40 PM   #35
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Short answer, NO, its not different. One provisio is that although smaller bikes can be faster in many situations, the rider must be good enough. If you have a background revving 125s then you'll struggle to use the torque of a big motor. As hp has gone up over the years, the torque low down has somewhat diminished by comparison. The hp of my 650 is largely irrevelant, its the linear delivery of torque that keeps it grunting up a gnarly hill that I so enjoy, a bit of clutch as necessary and its speed recovers easily. Harder work in tight terrain though.

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March 26th, 2007, 07:55 PM   #36
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Yeah, I think the 650 FE is for me.... no more questions. Thanks.
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March 27th, 2007, 03:46 PM   #37
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Gforce, I'm with Steve on this one. I just love the torque of the 650. Being able to just "tractor" up the snotty hills while your mates are reving the ring out of their bikes to get up the same hill. That little clutch "tweek" if you think your about to bog down is a wonderful thing as the speed starts to wash off half way up the hill. I must admit I love being able to have a controlled traction accent as opposed to having to light the rear tyre up and keep it spinning all the way up the big hills. Obviously you have to light the rear up a bit to get it going again, but it does it so easily. I can understand how the power can be rather intimadating to some, but by the sounds of your demeanour you wouldn't be happy on anything but the 650 Berg!!!!
This Sunday is one of our regular DSMRA rides. Can't wait.
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March 27th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #38
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Thanks cafey18. Throttle control is my way with the gixxer thou anyway, I mean all the time. On the track (or even road) loosing grip is not a happy day on bitumen, so we always careful to push it to the sliding point and keep it there. With a 1000 you have to have a sensitive wrist (and brain) to do that. Unlike you guys who are always all over the place and wouldn't bother least up to a certain point of course.
I'm looking forward to slides, drifts, spins, jumps and all the fun stuff without always looking in the mirrors and searching for cameras etc.
Doing fun with a clear consciousness, that's what I'm looking for and seems like that's what I'm going to get.
Saturday I'll try to go dawn to Gold Coast where the dealer is to have a closer look at the FE 650.

...and oh yea, I'm planning to get a set of motard wheels too. My suspicion is that the 650 wouldn't be boring in that set up either.
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March 27th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #39
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Our dealer here has a demo 550 and 650, maybe your local dealer has one available for a test ride? He would be able to put you onto someone who has a 650, and maybe you can get a test ride that way. Good luck and hopefuly we will see you on the Force ride next year, or if your really keen at the May 5th/6th ride down this way at Louee.
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Oh man I try my best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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