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June 21st, 2004, 02:10 PM   #1
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Titanium valves

The yellow coating on the valves I bought from Kibblewhite is supposed to withstand wear better than the base material. As they were "blanks" the coating on the shaft end is long gone. I just couldn't make place for lash caps, so they wore down rapidly . Does anyone out there know of some way of hardfacing the end of the Ti-valve stem?

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what are you doing to that baby doctor C?

poor thing.

dale will help you but i can make 2 + 2 = 4 and say give it another coat of that yellow stuff. (my conrods have it!)

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Originally Posted by Taffy
what are you doing to that baby doctor C?

poor thing.

dale will help you but i can make 2 + 2 = 4 and say give it another coat of that yellow stuff. (my conrods have it!)

Taffy
Well Taffy, in brief: relocated valve guides, 40mm intake/34mm exhaust, billet rockers, "SixDays-head", "62" cam, 50mm carb and meg style exhaust.

I was hoping for a suitable welding material...

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The yellow surface is most likely titanium nitride. There are three ways of creating this surface layer. It is possible to plasma nitride titanium which is similar to nitriding steels etc in that nitrogen gas diffuses into the surface. The other two methods are the application of a thin film of TiN by either a PVD (physical vapour deposition) or a CVD (chemical vapour deposition) process. The CVD process will allow a thicker film to be formed but the substrate temperature during the process is higher than the PVD or nitriding process approx 1000 degrees C compared to 500.
Also if you are building a higher performance motor it might be worth looking at having a chromium nitride (not chrome plated but a PVD coating) coating applied to the piston rings, it will tend to reduce ring wear and significantly reduce the friction of the ring pack
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Hi DR_C,
Regarding Husaberg engines and Titanium valves:
I reccommend a 5.5 mm lash cap and ball end tappet screw as nothing else to date has proven reliable.

Hope this helps.

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As you now know Titanium makes for a very poor bearing surface.
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I might just end up with steel exhaust valves with thinner stems. The 34mm valves are not that heavy. As for the 40mm inlet valves, the wear has not been so dramatic. Lower temperature? They might last the whole season. I will however investigate where to get someone coating the valves with TiN. I have put some stellite hardfacing on steel valves, in the past, so I was hoping that there would be a similar solution available for Ti. I had bought lash caps, but I just simply couldn´t find enough space between valve and rocker arm to make them fit.

Thanks for the input!

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if you really get stuck there are a few here in the UK. i had my rods done 14 years ago but i can give you a contact if you struggle i should think.

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Originally Posted by Dr_C
I had bought lash caps, but I just simply couldn´t find enough space between valve and rocker arm to make them fit.
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Hi Dr_C,
Simply reduce the overall valve lengths, lower the the split lock keeper grooves and deepen the spring seat pockets. It is also advantageous to eliminate the swivel foot tappet screws as they in themselves are cumbersome and quite heavy.

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by LINEAWEAVER
Simply reduce the overall valve lengths, lower the the split lock keeper grooves and deepen the spring seat pockets. It is also advantageous to eliminate the swivel foot tappet screws as they in themselves are cumbersome and quite heavy.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Dale!
I didn't dare to shorten the springs, but I lowered the spring pockets 1mm. I thought of lowering the keeper grooves and making new deeper retainers. With the relocated valves I have about 12mm max lift with the "62" cam, so perhaps the valve guides also needs shortening...
"Eliminating" the tappet screws makes me curious. How to?

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.480" (12mm) valve lift and 40mm Intake Valves!
Are you planning a 1L single and / or buzzing the engine to 12K rpm?

Early Husaberg and / or Honda CX 500 tappet screws work well with tool steel lash caps.

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