Go Back   Husaberg Forum > Mechanical and Technical > Mechanical

Mechanical Mechanical Forum - spinning bits and gyrating bobs

LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
June 28th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #1
Joined: Jan 2017
From: Sweden - Sjmarken

Posts: 64
Thanks: 13

I Ride: KTM250EXC-F, Yamaha FZS1000, Husaberg 650FSe
Lubrication on the pre oil pump engines

So the engine is splash/bath lubricated.

Primary gear, clutch, idler and kick gear on the left side of the engine, in oil bath.

Gearbox on the right side also in oil bath and oil can flow freely between right and left side.

Cam, rockers, valves gets splash lubed by the oil carried by the cam chain. The oil runs back down thru the cam chain pocket. Pressure venting is thru here as well.

So to the question: How do the oil find it's way to the crank housing? I know the pressure of the piston moving down pushes the oil out of the crank house thru the reeds but I don't know how it gets there in the first place. I forgot to look closely at this when I had things apart and now I can't stop thinking about it. Not that I have a problem with this, just curious.

And for the oil - 1 litre of full synt 0w50 every 5 hours? Does it really break down this quickly or is it possible to reuse it after external filtering?
Khristi is offline  
June 28th, 2017, 02:48 PM   #2
Senior Member
bushmechanic's Avatar
Joined: Jun 2007
From: south east WA Australia

Posts: 3,868
Thanks: 1213

I Ride: 2008 700FK, 2002 628FST
Re use in your tractor. Main problem is the oil is contaminated with unburnt fuel.
bushmechanic is offline  
June 29th, 2017, 06:45 AM   #3
Senior Member
thorgan's Avatar
Joined: May 2005
From: Sacramento California

Posts: 170
Thanks: 134

I Ride: "2000" FE600, 1994 FC660, 1994 FE501 (in pieces), 2001 FE 501 (in fewer pieces), 2015 Beta Xtrainer
Wow! This is a really great question. I always assumed that a little bit of oil seeps past the crank case reed valve and the primary side main bearing seal when the crank case experiences vacuum each time the piston moves up.

Definitely makes you think that the whole crank assembly, rod, piston, rings, wrist pin, etc are pretty well starved of oil.

I have an engine that'll be going together with the following parts treated by Microblue to attract oil: rod pin, rod bearing, the whole rod, piston, rings, cam follower bearings, and cam follower bearing axles. Additionally, I'll be using Microblue hybrid ceramic bearings (steel races with ceramic balls) for the mains and cam bearings and these are all subjected to their treatment for attracting and retaining oil.

It may take me quite some time to get hours on this engine (it's not even assembled yet) but my hope is that it'll last a lot longer and prove out a process that might be recommended for these older engines with no pressure lubrication.

The chief engineer at Microblue didn't seem concerned that these engines are purely splash lubricated.
thorgan is offline  
June 29th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #4
Senior Member
husabutt's Avatar
Joined: Feb 2003
From: Escondido, Ca. USA

Posts: 3,106
Thanks: 330

I Ride: 2005 Fe450,2001 Fx470,1997 Fx600
I have a 98 apart right now. There is a 3mm or so hole drilled from the cam chain cavity into the crankcase cavity. It also has a oil jet pointing at the crank coming from the oil filter (I understand that your motor does not have the oil filter or oil pump).

When the piston comes up it creates a vacuum and oil is drawn through the hole, when it goes down it pushes oil out of the reed valve below. The placement of the reed helps to maintain the correct oil level in the crank cavity (my opinion) as when the reed valve is compromised excess oil consumption occurs. The oil level in the crank cavity becomes too high.

It is an offshoot of the original Husky RAL motor (Reed Activated Lubrication). That system used 2 reeds and only a pint of oil.

It looks like Husky placed the oil screen a bit higher than where Husaberg has drilled the oiling hole. Changing the oil frequently is a good practice as unfiltered or mostly unfiltered (depending on the year) oil directly enters the crank cavity.

It appears that Husky at least screens all of its oil before entering the crankcase cavity and Husaberg does not.

I am sure that there is more to the story and a good topic for further discussion.

Last edited by husabutt; June 29th, 2017 at 08:26 AM.
husabutt is online now  
June 29th, 2017, 12:37 PM   #5
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2001
From: Ely, England

Posts: 16,022
Thanks: 495

I Ride: Husaberg FE501e 2003
a lot of Honda commuters run with just a teet screen filter and after hundreds of hours the oil is still gold in colour...sickening isn't it!!!

Taffy is offline  

  Husaberg Forum > Mechanical and Technical > Mechanical

engines, lubrication, oil, pre, pump

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help wanted. Lubrication problems Koko Mechanical 6 December 30th, 2005 10:12 AM
Conrod bearing lubrication mikst Mechanical 8 November 27th, 2004 10:46 PM
2005 lubrication ? Supermoto_Husaberg Mechanical 2 October 22nd, 2004 08:39 AM

Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed